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Go Aweigh2452
08-03-2006, 01:53 PM
I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo (Philippines) that still
haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship.
All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and
had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring
him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight
the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear. Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx.

Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he
had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and
swollen brows.

Nobody moved. Not one person.
The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this
sailor's lightning fast fists making contact with new areas of the
Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker.

Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly
shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly. Several people in
the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break
it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them
tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held
someone back.

You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft
cadence: "Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch]".

He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only
became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage. This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block
the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right
down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or
that he was wrong.

Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone
would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy
had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his
career as a barroom bully.

Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked "I give up", and we gently
backed the sailor away from him. I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today. I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors: This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat. Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.

President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of
Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past
two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire. Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:
1. Instigate a war.
2. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire.
3. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by
your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out
and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to
your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce.
4. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which
probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory
as your opponent leaves the field of battle. This tactic has never failed.
Not once. In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to
this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the
hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding.. it's a national
holiday over there!

President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN
Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then
after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."

Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed
Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army
to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the
Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian
weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country. And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw. As much as it may sicken
the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back
the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits
unambiguous defeat.

Randygh
08-03-2006, 03:19 PM
Doug--I agree with your comments 100%, but I'm afraid that even if the Israeli military continues to kick the sh_t out of Hezbollah there will be future conflict. Hezbollah is multinational and well funded with oil money to purchase arms from many willing arms vendors. However, even when middleeast oil runs dry and goat-herding is their primary means of support, there will be hatred and conflict with the Israel.

They do not value life as we do. Several nights ago I saw a newsclip of a small boat with several men onboard. They signaled an Israeli gunboat that they were in distress and as the gunboat approached, they blew themselves all to hell in an effort to kill 2 sailors at the bow of the gun boat. No one on board the patrol boat was injured according to the report. It was incredible to see parts of the small boat and possibly human parts flying through the air.

pkrogh
08-03-2006, 03:42 PM
I'm with ya on the bully treatment and I'm in complete agreement with these
people being f&%$d up like a soup sandwich.

I call it genetic stupidity.

Pete

Go Aweigh2452
08-03-2006, 06:34 PM
Randy et al, I think the point is to not allow the terrorist to negotiate. I hope Israel does not negotiate until the two hostages are returned. Its that simple for them... If Israel gives in to the terrorists then they win even if their butts have been kicked all over the map. I hope some country gets smart and de-nueters that reactor in Iran. Can you imagine if Israel had not knocked out the reactor in Iraq when they did? Only a matter of time before these terrorists get hold of a nuc and make Israel disappear in a cloud of radioactive dust. Hopefully the sanctions will have some effect on Iran...

Are we still holding on to funds destined for the Hezbollah parliment? or have we decided to continue funding them? This country makes some stupid treaties sometimes...

Randygh
08-03-2006, 10:43 PM
I'm curious about how good US and Israeli intel is regarding Iran, North Korea, Syria, and other hostile nations. Our satellites can read license plate numbers, but how much do we know regarding immenant threats? After Iran builds a thermonuclear warhead, will we have forewarning from our field assets if and when they plan to use it? Now that Israel has extended-range F-16's how likely is it there would be a preemptive strike against Iran as they did against Iraq?

It would sure be interesting to work for the CIA, NSA or military intelligence branches during this period of history.