Boc

[Ssounder]

Can anyone get on the BOC right now?
Is the server down or did they punt me? :mrgreen:
-Just wondering..

[Five C's]

I can't either.

Karen

[Ssounder]

Thanks. It must be the server. -Been a little hot over there. I hope we didn't burn it up! :eek:

[SomeSailor]

I suspect their server is going through some issues. The problem with these forums is they can get in trouble quick if someone isn't doing some routine maintenance (and worse if no one is backing the database up). :(

[Ssounder]

I suspect their server is going through some issues. The problem with these forums is they can get in trouble quick if someone isn't doing some routine maintenance (and worse if no one is backing the database up). :(

I wonder, is the server physically at Strat's house? Maybe an alternate administrator can RDP in and bounce it.
-There is the danger of loosing some data though if it hasn't gone through it's daily maintenance.....

[Roel Jansen]

Some time ago I did made some sugestions to get BOC management back at it's feet. But I got nearly cruisified by doing so. More than once I wrote about my concern the way BOC is going to. But in private messages I got more background information and that only strenghtened my fear for BOC's future if nothing is going to be done one of these days.

[Go Aweigh2452]

It will be back up in no time... they had a shorter outage a few weeks ago... relax Roel.... don't start this up again... :cry:

[Nehalennia]

Well Mike
I'll say it as quickly as possible...I appreciate this reference resource and avenue to great NW boating and camaradarie.

Thanks!

[Ssounder]

Well Mike
I'll say it as quickly as possible...I appreciate this reference resource and avenue to great NW boating and camaradarie.
Thanks!

Agreed. This is kind of like a port in the storm sometimes. Much appreciated...

[Roel Jansen]

Doug,

I don't need to relaxe, I am very relaxed. You got private e-mail.

And I don't put up things here but do it were it should be done!

[Roel Jansen]

For some people history only shines a light on the path that's already behind us but for other without knowing the past you can't make a future. :)

I came her at IBOATNW on invitation a couple of days after it was founded. Mike, SomeSailor was just invited a couple of minutes before me.

And it felt in the beginning as a very warm blanket to be here. After some of time when the magic probably was over, we had some troubles here until Mike took over the helm.

And indeed this board is still that warm blanket as it was in the beginning, but fortunately nothing human was strange here and we also had some hick ups.

Nothing wrong with as long people at the end show respect for a different opinion.

I don't post here much but I fly the IboatNW Burgee ( I even gave the final suggestion on the design) with proud!

[dumluck53]

One of these days I'm going to visit you in Amsterdam, Roel. I expect a cruise on your fine vessel!

Oh yeah, and a cocktail. A cruise and a cocktail...that would be just lovely, thank you.

(I always appreciate your broad mindedness, Roel. Your posts are always thoughtful. Thanks!)

[Ssounder]

I too would like to meet Roel someday...
I'm sure we would have plenty to talk about.

[SomeSailor]

I wonder, is the server physically at Strat's house? Maybe an alternate administrator can RDP in and bounce it.
-There is the danger of loosing some data though if it hasn't gone through it's daily maintenance.....

Nope. It's hosted.

The bandwidth is pretty large and I'd imagine it chunks down their SQL servers from time to time.

[SomeSailor]

Some time ago I did made some sugestions to get BOC management back at it's feet. But I got nearly cruisified by doing so. More than once I wrote about my concern the way BOC is going to. But in private messages I got more background information and that only strenghtened my fear for BOC's future if nothing is going to be done one of these days.

You're not far from the truth there Roel. They need to get a better grip on it... and soon. It's pretty much free-wheeling now.

[SomeSailor]

Some time ago I did made some sugestions to get BOC management back at it's feet. But I got nearly cruisified by doing so. More than once I wrote about my concern the way BOC is going to. But in private messages I got more background information and that only strenghtened my fear for BOC's future if nothing is going to be done one of these days.

You're not far from the truth there Roel. They need to get a better grip on it... and soon. It's pretty much free-wheeling now.

I'm not sure who would be best suited for the role over there. Someone has to have an even-keel, but firm enough to keep things in order. I fear that too many folks are just waiting for the opportunity to take over that might not have the best of intentions.

Oh well... no dog in that fight... :)

[Nehalennia]

Hi Roel
I'll ask here since it's truly a "brand Nuetral site". Do you have issues with guys like me on there?

I've seen you on there and you may have seen me. I only try to post where I would belong and not knowing some issues that may be specific to Bayliners I stay out of the way.

Otherwise I know some of these guys are on there and I tag along as some subjects/threads bleed over or make reference to subjects/threads on BOC.

Other things that are Merc or similar and non Brand specific, I can learn from and offer my experience all the same.

I'm just curious ...........

[SomeSailor]

Do you have issues with guys like me on there?

We all have issues with guys like you on here... :mrgreen:


(kidding) 8)

[Ssounder]

She's (BOC) down again...
As a newer member, I would humbly appreciate someone taking over that site.
-Some may think I would be the last one to say this but, it would be nice to have someone set the ground rules and enforce them
-Just so everyone knows up front.
Proper conduct is pretty obvious here on IBOAT and not at all on BOC.
Stuff gets slung out there just to irritate and it can be a major challenge to just let it ride. -I don't mind contesting though.....People do step in and referee on occaision...:rolleyes:
Also the maintenance of the server (or lack thereof) is becoming worrysome. Roel is right..... It's time for an administrator.



I'm not sure who would be best suited for the role over there. Someone has to have an even-keel, but firm enough to keep things in order.


That rules me out. :lol:

[oh_wells]

BOC is a great resource but in general, it is too crude for my taste. I could do without the T&A and mudslinging.

[voyager]

I used to read more of the BOC posts and I used to post myself much more than I currently do. It seems like the last few years it has been dominated by a group with the same mind set and anyone with a opposite opinion just gets shouted down.

It seems to me that it has steadily grown worse over the last two years and during the last year it is degrading even more. Back when I joined you got an earful if you even posted a questionable joke, there were also many more knowledge based questions with actual responses by multiple members.

It bothers me to see people with 1000's of posts and I know that 90% of them are non-boating related and the ones they have posted on boats have given questionable advice.

Sorry to rant a little bit but I thought it needed to be said and
BOC is not a safe place so say it anymore.

[Tedster]

I left the BOC when it changed to the new format, didn't like the new format and don't miss all the crap one bit. Mike has done more than a fabulous job here, but then I think this more local guys approach makes a big difference too.

[Nehalennia]

We all have issues with guys like you on here... :mrgreen:


(kidding) 8)
Well in meant because I'm a SeaRay owner there.... not for that + the reasons you have issues with me here....:lol:

[bradvo]

To me BOC is as tame as it has ever been with far less arguing then a few years back, but also the MY forums has been far less active with the real gurus of boating knowledge. The knuckle bangers I'm talking about. They check in from time to time but have really almost dropped the site.

I spend more time on a few other sites that can get pretty crazy and at times immature, I can sure get a few belly laughs from some of it, some pretty wild imaginations at work.
They do tend to slam Bayliners though. I don't think some of them even know what all the Bays look like, I posted a picture of my old 3988 and I had compliments up the ying yang.

I just go by the philosophy of when in Rome, be a Roman. Some forums are tame and matter of fact.
To me BOC has become kinda BORING, but I can't stay away.

[Nehalennia]

......I just go by the philosophy of when in Rome, be a Roman. Some forums are tame and matter of fact.......
I agree. I just like boating and most boaters. It's not really brand specific. I avoid any bashing and don't like to have to defend it either.

I really like this site for the fact it's not brand specific even though Doug and Mike, like to get their jabs in.

On the SeaRay site I'm on, it's like belonging to a car club, comparing features and changes in models and "how do you route this to that". Similar to BOC. Even though a few bash on both BOC and Clubsearay, similarities of features and systems between boats there is a lot to be learned and offered on both, including here.

[pkrogh]

I've been reading along and Brad comes the closest to what I've been feeling about BOC recently.

I like Roels' comparison to a 'warm blanket'. :mrgreen: That's what BOC and IBNW has been to me.

I don't know what the cause might be but BOC is not as appealing to me in the last few months as the interesting threads are few and most of the 'contributions' are sort of like the mutterings of a crowd. Lots of things being said but not much really boat related. Something has changed with the member makeup.....? Seems like there are a lot of wild things going on in some parts of the forum.

For quite a while I was trying to help folks with technical questions but recently it's too frustrating; like pitching stuff into the wind. Seems like there are a lot of folks who don't want to hear the facts, they would rather blather about anecdotal methods. And you're right, being shouted down all the time is tiring and there are better things to do.

Rant off.

Pete

[3788sam]

Before the switch I had over 1000 posts on BOC and now my biggest issue is the thread high jacking. I’ve seen many legitimate request for help and 2 post later SP, Wayne and others are posting jokes and giving their expert advice on gold lemay (sp) bikinis!
I guess once you have driven a dump truck and built a nuclear submarine by yourself, you are now qualified to give advice about everything?

BOC might as well bring back the Pink Flamingo -JK:)

[voyager]

Ken I have never met you but now I think I would like to. Those are some of the same issue's I have and referred to them earlier. Thousands of posts and most of them just bull. And to top it off one of them is back east testing boats right now :shock:

I normally try to get along with everybody and try to keep an open mind but some of those things are really starting to bug me.

[Go Aweigh2452]

BOC might as well bring back the Pink Flamingo -JK:)

Now that's a low blow...

I was off BOC for about a year before going back in. It has settled down a lot over that one year. Much better than when the PF was there. I had it with those types and its only been the past several months that I came back to BOC. It sometimes degenerates but I can see over that only because there is a lot I learn from many of the posts (not all the posters). About January I did a search of some of the posters on BOC and found a couple of them have NEVER made a significant contribution to the site. Just made inane comments about nothing but themselves...

Maybe we should seek out PK???

BTW Ken, if I ever go bigger on a boat, your fireplace will be the first upgrade... :mrgreen:

[Stray Cat]

BOC is like so many forums out there. You have to separate the good from the bad. There are some egos and there are many that post just to hear the sound of their own typing. But there is still a lot of good info to be found as well.
IBNW is more like a club, that attracts like minded people that just want to share in the mutual interest of boating. Hey, maybe we should turn it into the IBNWYC! :argh2

[Pau Hana]

Mike, you run a class site here.

I'm fairly new here, as I followed a link on one on Mike's posts on BOC. I'm very active on a few other sites (performance cars, music, and other interests), and I enjoy the interaction of all here- great technical information, solid area/nav info, and the acceptance of all by all.

Hope the info I have to share is useful and a benefit to the community.....

[Roel Jansen]

Tony, Jack and all others,

When ever you go to Amsterdam call me and and I will do my utmost to give you a real Dutch treat! :)
We like to meet boating friends from all over the Globe. I already have met a couple and yes also Al Varelas better know as a pink colored exotic bird that stands in the waters of the Caribbean. :)
So coming t6o Amsterdam you are more than welcome! :)

[Roel Jansen]

Todd,

I absolutely don't mind people like you with other brand boats on BOC. No, but what I sometimes say is to make clear that as you don't like them or their power train, simply don't buy them or accept the fact they are as they come. I respect every bodies choice of boat brand. And I will never spoil the pleasure and proud they have with theirs by saying negative things about it. I also didn't like some one say to me: "Why didn't you buy a Bavaria instead of a Bayliner just after the boat is delivered"
But I also like to have my two feet on the ground and am not blind and although very satisfied with my boat, Ican see things in other brands that I would like to have in mine. :)
We did not buy that specific brand, because they came with VP and Bayliner with Mercruiser.
No, we like the Bayliner floor plan better and have from own experience trust in the Mercruiser engines and drives.

[Roel Jansen]

I came at BOC when it was created a couple of months ago by a guy Mark Erbguth, who was sick of the Bayliner bashing. I found a link at Boatered just after we bought our first new boat a 1802 Capri Cuddy back in 1998. I remember how eager I was early in the morning to open the BOC website and see all the new posts and learned day by day.

Today I feel like Brad and I also can't stay away from it. In those 10 years a lot has changed. We also had fierce discussions and it could become very hot ones. But it didn't had a bad influence on the quality of the postings. When the first new layout came things started to change. We got 20 posts on the screen and you had to scroll to another page to see the others. That made a specific post disappear after 20 new posts came but that took some time as there was still posting discipline. Today if there is an interesting post you may be glad that after one days you can retrieve that post two or three pages back. So if you don't visit BOC every day, some of the few interesting post aren't read by some who could give a valued contribution. My experience is out of sight is out of mind. And why? Because far to many new postings most of those postings are none boating issues, in the topic were they don't belong. I am convinced that two or three moderators could bring a big positive change to get rid of that. Why it's not done? Probably those guys have such big ego's and think their posting have such a value that it should be read by as many people as possible. That's why imho they use the most visited topics. What they achieve is they pamper there ego but at the same time they are responsible for the loss of quality. I don't want when I open the general boating forum, to see a post about weekend experiences or first fishes caught by daughters. Yes, I like to read them very much but in the topic where they belong. And I really ask my self what's wrong with that? :)

[SomeSailor]

Hey, maybe we should turn it into the IBNWYC! :argh2

Funny you should mention that, but in NorthWest Yachting (or one of those free rags), they had a listing of various "virtual" Yacht Clubs and discussed how popular they've become.

I keep meaning to put together some ideas here as well, but we could probably get some negotiated discounts, reciprocals, etc if we took the time.

I'll put some thoughts in another post elsewhere.

[Five C's]

I can't get on boc again this morning...what is the big dilema about appointing someone new? I'm sure that decision can't be made over night -

Karen

[Ssounder]

I can't get on boc again this morning...what is the big dilema about appointing someone new? I'm sure that decision can't be made over night -

Karen
Yep, 3 days in a row. + it seems to be happening more frequently.
-Maybe this will serve as a wake up call to all of the naysayers...

[Stray Cat]

It's possible that they got hacked. It happens frequently to forums. One I am on was down for almost a month and none of the posts, or member information was able to be retreived. It was sad to have all that history wiped out. Hopefully this isn't the case with BOC.

[bradvo]

I was able to view BOC yesterday at work

[Ssounder]

I can't ping it either....It's not just limping, it's off line completely. Perhaps the ISP is down...

[oh_wells]

I run a board for 200+ moms of kids born around the same time as my oldest and when it is running well, people are very happy. But when there are a few glitches, people are very mad. Jeff hosts it and we lost our server and were down a couple of days...whew. I would almost be glad it someone else took it over, it can be a huge pain at times.

[bradvo]

Here , I just went to BOC and I and copied this from today, I hope Tony does not mind.




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1. Ted at Olympic Boat Center, Lake Union office.

2. Russ Reed, Blackfish Marine, 425 501 1504.

Both are great guys and know their products. They also both know the 38' model very well.
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