Its My Happy Place here :)

[Apperloo]

WoW, BOC is a MESS :shock:
Deteriorating fast.............

[SomeSailor]

Yeah...

I've seen it coming for awhile. They've outgrown their own control really. If they don't jump to something organized soon... they're in trouble.

It's simpler here. Someday I will likely have to do something more organized here. It's sure got me thinking about the long term though. :)

[Go Aweigh2452]

Yeah...

I've seen it coming for awhile. They've outgrown their own control really. If they don't jump to something organized soon... they're in trouble.

It's simpler here. Someday I will likely have to do something more organized here. It's sure got me thinking about the long term though. :)


Well, we do have more control here and that probably keeps most of the spammers out. Mike needs to assign some of the threads that have no or one moderator to keep the spammers out or at least minimized...

[Stompor]

Its been a couple of weeks since I have stopped by the Ole BOC...


I don't think I miss it. :D

[SomeSailor]

Well, we do have more control here and that probably keeps most of the spammers out. Mike needs to assign some of the threads that have no or one moderator to keep the spammers out or at least minimized...

I have a bigger plan, but will need to flesh it out a bit in my head first. This business at BOC is a good example of what can go wrong when a site gets single-threaded and as big as that.

I'll letcha know.

[Nehalennia]

I think on the national scene it's just too broad and some don't understand that there are different conditions and circumstances that exist outside of your own waters. So, the debates begin, the insults fly and the theories are rudely challenged. It's funny what people will type on the screen v. what they'd say if we were standing on the dock together.

I'm guilty of slinging crap to someone who recommends putting a portable generator in the engine bay or recently thought it was a good idea to install an Auto starter on his boat because he could save $100+.

Sometimes that's the only way the point gets across, but I'd say the same thing to the guy if he lived nearby and he joined us at a rendezvous. It's easier to explain some of those things in person though.

Anyways I belong there only because most of you guys are there. On Clubsearay.com there is similar issues, but the moderators do pretty good either cleaning it up or letting it run it's course.

Thanks Mike for this site. It is a great place to talk boats, local boating and gather with great people.

[bradvo]

I think on the national scene it's just too broad and some don't understand that there are different conditions and circumstances that exist outside of your own waters. So, the debates begin, the insults fly and the theories are rudely challenged. It's funny what people will type on the screen v. what they'd say if we were standing on the dock together.

I'm guilty of slinging crap to someone who recommends putting a portable generator in the engine bay or recently thought it was a good idea to install an Auto starter on his boat because he could save $100+.

Sometimes that's the only way the point gets across, but I'd say the same thing to the guy if he lived nearby and he joined us at a rendezvous. It's easier to explain some of those things in person though.

Anyways I belong there only because most of you guys are there. On Clubsearay.com there is similar issues, but the moderators do pretty good either cleaning it up or letting it run it's course.

Thanks Mike for this site. It is a great place to talk boats, local boating and gather with great people.



Mike said it best one time, we may see each other on the docks , so we do tend to respect each other and self govern ourselves while visiting here.

Now on the other hand I have gone to BOC just to stir it up at times. I have another place I go where I really stir it up- But so does a good majority of its members, it is good for a laugh.

[SomeSailor]

Yeah... we all know where you fill your potable water here. :D

[Nehalennia]

Yeah... we all know where you fill your potable water here. :D

Now we need to padlock that fill?

[Tedster]

I haven't been on BOC since it changed to the new format many years ago, don't miss it and not a bit surprized if it explodes. One boating post site is plenty to me and Mike does an excellent job. So Mike keep it simple just like it is, it works! :)

[SomeSailor]

I'm gonna take some time this weekend to make a few changes, but nothing earth shattering. :)

[Nehalennia]

I'm gonna take some time this weekend to make a few changes, but nothing earth shattering. :)

Mike if you can look at http://www.clubsearay.com/forum/index.php
and see if that Site Navigation Pane is a toggle you can turn on that would be cool. Looks like Iboat, BOC and ClubSearay all use PHP.
Otherwise things are great
Thanks again

[SomeSailor]

It's not a toggle... you guys just need to go there if you want to use it.

www.iboatnw.com (http://www.iboatnw.com/forum/www.iboatnw.com)

It's on the right side... :D

ClubSeaRay is a nice site, but too commercialized for my tastes. He's not subtle about wanting to make a buck.

[Nehalennia]

It's not a toggle... you guys just need to go there if you want to use it.

www.iboatnw.com (http://www.iboatnw.com/forum/www.iboatnw.com)

It's on the right side... :D

ClubSeaRay is a nice site, but too commercialized for my tastes. He's not subtle about wanting to make a buck.

I guess I was just thinking about the "view past 24hr posts" , view past 48HR posts, not the other stuff

this is fine though thanks

[SomeSailor]

You can spend a crazy amount of time trying to please everyone on these sites. I have the forum software set to display the last posts since your last vist ("New Posts"), and then if you've run through those, it'll then drop to those you've not read in the last 24 hours.

[Tedster]

It is just fine, It is just fine, It is just fine, It is just fine, It is just fine, It is just fine, It is just fine, It is just fine, the way it is!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Apperloo]

You can spend a crazy amount of time trying to please everyone on these sites. I have the forum software set to display the last posts since your last vist ("New Posts"), and then if you've run through those, it'll then drop to those you've not read in the last 24 hours.

Nope, like the new post feature as it is..........I vote not to change a thing

[Eagle Lady]

I haven't been on BOC since it changed to the new format many years ago, don't miss it and not a bit surprized if it explodes. One boating post site is plenty to me and Mike does an excellent job. So Mike keep it simple just like it is, it works! :)

Garry registered on BOC years ago when they used "EZBOARD"... After awhile it seemed things changed, posts got weird, spamming was rampant and it seemed the post/boating information was geared more toward/from East Coast boaters .... At that point he seldom frequented the BOC site since we were searching for boating information for the Pacific Northwest, specifically Puget Sound, not the East Coast. Then one day after we got our 2452 he discovered "IBoatNorthwest.com" and there was no comparison. Other than a few boater blogs and website journalizing we frequent on occasion, our feelings are the same .… Mike does an excellent job. Keep it simple just like it is, it works! Don't change a thing! :)

[Tedster]

Yup, yup, yup, yupster!

[Roel Jansen]

TED,

Go back to BOC stirr it up there like you did before and maybe a second good thing comes out of it, as at the first time it was the reason IBOATNW was founded! :) :)

[Roel Jansen]

Eagle Lady quote:

At that point he seldom frequented the BOC site since we were searching for boating information for the Pacific Northwest, specifically Puget Sound, not the East.

Dear Lady for your info BOC was an INTERNATIONAL board founded by a Guy named Mike Erbguth! And it was meant to be a haven for Bayliner owners.

IBNW was a board founded by some members who disliked what was going on at BOC.
And first they invited new members. Mike Somesailor was invited just before I got my invitation. And never it was and still isn't restricted to PNW or Puget sound boating.
But you can have a poll! :)

[SomeSailor]

But you can have a poll! :)

Last time I checked... my Mastercard paid the bill.





So no need for a poll. :mrgreen:

[Go Aweigh2452]

Last time I checked... my Mastercard paid the bill.





So no need for a poll. :mrgreen:

Which reminds me, where do we go to donate?

[Nehalennia]

It's one of the major reasons I like IboatNW over both ClubSeaRay and BOC.
It's the local members with local knowledge, topics, Rendezvous, experiences and experience from Idaho, Oregon, B.C. WA.
Roel. Obviously you being a longtime BOC member and also here, you know much of the history. It seems you follow this site for the same reason I'm on BOC. I truly don't belong there by the definition of the site being "Bayliner" and you the same here "NW", but our common friends online in other sites adds flavor and perspective to many threads. I've learned some things there and have also shared thing there I've known, learned in this site or ClubSearay.com.

None of the three sites IboatNW, BOC or ClubSearay, that I belong to don't restrict members. For the most part the majoirty of members on each respective site seems to treat everyone with respect. One things that seems to be infecting BOC is a hairline trigger on anger or posturing in disagreements. CSR has it's moments too but it's quickly dealt with if things get personal.

The best part of this site, is that it's more intimate,yet still welcomes all, and we don't have the arguing with jabs and barbs in them.

Roel, it's interesting to read your views and perspective when you post.
Thanks to Mike's hosting and development of this site focused on region good people and boating, not brand of boat.

[April]

Which reminds me, where do we go to donate?

Is there a fee for using this website?

[pacopico]

The best part of this site, is that it's more intimate,yet still welcomes all, and we don't have the arguing with jabs and barbs in them.


My .02 on this, even though I am "new".

I have read and signed on to many web forums...from Boating to 4x4 to Audio equipment, and from what I have seen this is one of the best forums I have been on. It is nice to see a public forum where everyone is responsible and respectful. The only other forum I visit that is as rational as this one is private.

[Go Aweigh2452]

Is there a fee for using this website?

No fee, just Mike (Somesailor) hosts this site himself and it is nice to send a few bucks or more a year to offset his annual costs... not required...

[SomeSailor]

That's one of the things on my "To Do" list this winter. I want to recognize those who have contributed in the past as well as those that are actively involved (from both a forum, and a club perspective)

I'm thinking of a tiered membership system that will recognize those folks better and lay the club out in a bit more organized fashion.

Here are a couple of factors that I'm tossing around in my nugget:
(in no particular order)

Site Related:
Administrator
Super Moderator
Moderator
Gallery Admin
Calendar Admin
Current Contributing Member ($$)
Past Contributing Member ($$)
Sponsor ($$)
Forum Sponsor ($$)
Contributing User (posts)
Registered User
Unregistered User
Guest
Admiral
Cruising Club Related
Commodore (Elected)
Vice Commodore(s) (Elected)
Rear Commodore (Appointed)
Fleet Captain (Appointed)
Treasurer (Appointed)
Secretary (Elected)
Cruise Captain (Volunteers)
Cruise Coordinator (Volunteers)
Cruise Attendee (Volunteers)
Social Coordinator (Volunteer)
New Membership Coordinator (Volunteer)
Newsletter Coordinator (Volunteer)
Site Levels: Some of these will be criteria for reaching a level, some just to activate features, and others for sake of recognition. You'd be able to exist with multiple rankings and one would not be requisite for the other.

Club Levels / Responsibilities: I'd like to recognize those who are actively participating and still keep it informal. This will mean a more organized cruising schedule and some better excuses for getting together more often. A monthly newsletter, etc. :)

Part of this is being driven by an increased SPAM presence that will have to be dealt with a bit more aggressively. I'm going to be restricting new members a bit more from posting until they can be verfied. This would requiring them to be either be referred by a known member, or make a post in an open area of the site before being allowed in the general areas.

Lemme know what your thoughts are.

- Mike

[Go Aweigh2452]

I'm thinking, simple is fine. Too many levels and people get confused with that. One or two levels: a sponsor $ level, a non sponsor. On top of that would be moderators or super moderators (can be sponsor or not) but would have authority to prevent or block a spammer until the administrator can take care of it.

On my NJROTC site, we have administrators (4), moderators (25) and junior administrators (15) that eventually move up to administrators if they feel they want the extra work load. That being said, only 4 jr admin have moved to admin level.

We trained over the phone then we also have a admin level only thread (like the admirals thread) where we discuss a spammer or thread that is possibly obnoxious). But I believe this site does not need that due to everyone so far has been very cognizant of each other. We do need more permissions to take care of the typical spammers though...

So in summation: Keep it simple...

[voyager]

I like the simple part. The simpler the better. I also like a trial forum for new members or limiting what the can post until they checkout. Maybe prevent them from posting links or anything over a certain size?

As to the cruising club maybe simplify it to cruise captain, and two or three cruise coordinators. Then if it takes off and grows build it into the standard yacht club positions.

PS how do I contribute $$$ ?

[SomeSailor]

You need to understand they're essentially two different sets within one.

The website is the one I am most concerned with. There are essentially three levels of administrative authority.

Let me preface that $$$ has nothing to do with my level of confidence in assigning any of these.

They are: Administrator, Moderator and Super Moderator.

Administrator has access to the servers, the domain, the e-commerce engine, the certificates and other things that I actually own. I have liabilities in those, so i'm no t talking about changing those at all.

Super-moderators can vary in responsibilities and authorities. They can ban users, delete posts, delete whole threads, etc.

Moderators are assigned by forum, and are limited to the rights assigned to them within that forum.

ie: A Moderator can work across boundaries. Doug; you are currently a Moderator, I'd like to make you a Super Moderator. I'd like to assign some other Moderators, and eventually some Super Moderators.

[SomeSailor]

I like the simple part. The simpler the better. I also like a trial forum for new members or limiting what the can post until they checkout. Maybe prevent them from posting links or anything over a certain size?

That's easy to do... but we have to understand they are TWO DIFFERENT entities (the Forums, and a Cruising Club)


As to the cruising club maybe simplify it to cruise captain, and two or three cruise coordinators. Then if it takes off and grows build it into the standard yacht club positions.

I'm going to establish it in such a way that it can grow as the Club grows. These positions I've outlined will allow us to grow in some social aspects as well. Club participation would open to all, but membership will need to be delineated and of course have some reasonable reason for being a member.

Several people have contacted me directly about this and as we're in the tail-end of the boating season, there's no better time to get something organized.

It's not a science project, but to get it off to a good start, I feel the organization will be key.



PS how do I contribute $$$ ?[/quote]

[Go Aweigh2452]

Doug; you are currently a Moderator, I'd like to make you a Super Moderator. I'd like to assign some other Moderators, and eventually some Super Moderators.

Fine with me. I lurk here a lot so no problem for me to get after the "viagra fast cheap" crowd... (our newest member)...

[SomeSailor]

Fine with me. I lurk here a lot so no problem for me to get after the "viagra fast cheap" crowd... (our newest member)...
I bumped you to Super Moderator.

Lemme know if anything doesn't look quite right.

[Nehalennia]

Interesting.
Let me know if I can contribute Mike.

The level of $$$ donations can be Silver, Gold & Platnum for annual fees.

Love the site and happy to help. What do Doug's read lettered name mean. Did he sell Viagra without your permission...seriously I suppose..Super Moderator I assume?

[SomeSailor]

Interesting.
Let me know if I can contribute Mike.

I've got some ideas on that once I get the infrastructure set up.

One of my thoughts is part of the membership cost would cover a Burgee and nametags, and we could pick their moorage at the next rendezvous.

Any additional funds could go to a couple of annual events like a 4th of July Cruise and maybe a Club Dinner somewhere in the off season? (not a Commodore's Ball or anything)

I'd like to have it set up to be more self sufficient and fun at the same time. I'd need to have someone volunteer to control the funds for that.

More to come... but I think I put the spammers on the run tonight.. :)

[Play N Hookie II]

I will help in anyway I can as well. Sounds like some great ideas you have come up with. Let me know how I can help to implement them. What is a rear commodore?:mrgreen:

[SomeSailor]

I will help in anyway I can as well. Sounds like some great ideas you have come up with. Let me know how I can help to implement them. What is a rear commodore?:mrgreen:

OK... I'll leave that one alone. :)

A Rear Commodore is a rank just below Vice Commodore.

I'd like to lay the framework for a club this winter and get some folks with good ideas to help formalize the Club aspect of things. I'll cover this in another post.

I really appreciate everyone's input and support.

[Roel Jansen]

Todd wrote: Roel. Obviously you being a longtime BOC member and also here, you know much of the history. It seems you follow this site for the same reason I'm on BOC.

Indeed you are dead on! But the second sentence is much more important for me than the first.
Actually I neither like the need always to mention how much boating experience someone has. For along time already BOC is going a way imho that is the reason for the recent outburst of very unfriendly postings. In my opinion this is due to a total lack of Leadership. I think we also should realize what we are doing and what a clubs like BOC and IBNW really are compared to what is happening in the real life today. Some months ago I did a proposal for a new and better, to control, kind of organization ! I was glad I was on the Web and not present some where in reality the mob would have lynched me. Yesterday or the day before Mike Some-Sailor, suggested exactly the same. Not very strange if you have some experience with leading a Club. I keep wondering why the BOC leadership didn't take his responsibility towards the Club and its members. I also understand the fear from some that a wrong guy would be chosen. There are many ways that fact can be avoided as an election the way it's normally done in a Club, never was done at BOC. If a person comes in heavy weather in his private live that can be terrible don't ask me how I know but doesn't dismiss him from the responsibilities he has. But I absolutely can't understand that even now as it's obvious that this can't go on any longer, nobody is even admitted to question and speak out his disagreement about what is going on.
Look at the postings 23 pages about mooring and rafting!. Small boaters what have you done... at least that had and has to be removed to were it very clearly belongs. From what I understood very recently the keys were handed over? I really, really hope so. For a long time IBOATNW was like a warm blanket to me. But also here if you disagree about some thing it's about the same also a little more subtile, no direct attacks but you simply will be ignored. But that didn't change my opinion that I like my SB better than a command bridge! :)

[SomeSailor]

Roel;

That's the biggest thing I've learned from what recently happened over there. Although there's a certain amount of hassle associated with having a plan for growth and leadership, my intention is to get ahead of that so that sort of problem will never be a problem here.

I know the idea of a structured club isn't completely popular, but it will allow this group to ride through any future growing pains like what BOC is experiencing.

More to come...

[Apperloo]

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[Roel Jansen]

Mike,

Not for nothing in my proposal I named you as a candidate! :)

We both know each other a long time and we actually we had some different opinions some times, but it never, never was of any influence of the way we went along! :)

Some thing pops up, my little 3 year old sun wanted to go to Yuogsevia he couldn't pronounce it the right way, Yes, we said we go but to the French part of it! :)
Maybe a little criptical but.....

[bradvo]

I have been a paying member to Boatered for 3 to 4 years and probably will not buy an anchor again, will gladly help out with donations here. Just give me a paypal option if possible.

[Go Aweigh2452]

I have been a paying member to Boatered for 3 to 4 years and probably will not buy an anchor again, will gladly help out with donations here. Just give me a paypal option if possible.

yeah, I agree, I have not visited Boatered for about two or more months (10 Aug actually). Just not a quality site anymore... too many restrictions on url's etc. Heaven forbid you mention another place to buy a boat part... other than BoatFix

[SomeSailor]

I have been a paying member to Boatered for 3 to 4 years and probably will not buy an anchor again, will gladly help out with donations here. Just give me a paypal option if possible.

OK... So I spent some time during lunch today hacking away at some ideas. I'd like to get them layed out in a bit more of an organized fashion, but here's the gist of what I've got in mind.

I'm going to be asking for some help in the form of leadership and direction to take things up a level here, while at the same time setting us up for more fun and a more meaningful structure that will get us out there together more often and make participating in things even more fun this next year than in years past.

I'm going to be asking for some people to step into various leadership roles.

I'm going to ask the most of those of you who have been here throughout the years and have seen the problems that have affected both this site and BOC in the past. There will be a core group of people that have been here from the beginning that I'll be drawing upon to make sure we get the right people in place, and the right amount of oversight in place to see this through.

I will be formalizing the Club's structure. Not as a matter of pomp and circumstance, but as a vehicle for this organization to grow. This will be involve membership and participation. Several people have asked about how to contribute, and several have contributed in the past. I plan to take you all up on those offers, but I want it to be for membership in something worthwhile, family-oriented and fun. What I want most isn't gonna come from your checkbook. :)

Anyhow...

There'll be more coming once I get the details straight, but think about what EACH OF YOU would like to see in a Club, an organization of boaters and a cruising friends... and and see where this can go.

More to come...

[Go Aweigh2452]

What I want most isn't gonna come from your checkbook. :)



More to come...

Well as long as I am not required to vote for Mr. Obama,:eek: I'm in... :argh2

[voyager]

Well I WILL vote for Obama and I am still willing to volunteer and to work with Doug.

But if opposite views are not welcome then I will be happy to just go boating by myself and meet others who are do not let their political opinions affect a local boating site.

In fact we agreed at Kingston ( at Doug's request ) that politics would not affect this site and we would refrain from posting about them.

But now I am reading comments on the thread about the structure and leadership of the site that politics will play a role?

Sorry for ranting but I am just tired of these type of posts and it is one of the reasons BOC is in trouble.

[SomeSailor]

But now I am reading comments on the thread about the structure and leadership of the site that politics will play a role?

Nope.

Politics have nothing to do with how this place is run.

And just for the record... McCain is on the ropes Doug... :)

(We'll leave "THAT ONE" is for another thread please) :D

I really want to get something set up that can be more self-sufficient over the long term is all.

No political agenda from me.

[Tedster]

Calm down Paul, he (Doug) was just kiddin' a bit I'd say!

[SomeSailor]

Calm down Paul, he (Doug) was just kiddin' a bit I'd say!

He's got a good point. This thread was not about politics.

Thanks to both of ya though. The more diverse this place is the better it'll become.

[Go Aweigh2452]

Hey guys and gals... it was meant as a joke... I was kidding knowing Mike is for Mr. Obama and I respect his views,and he mine. We have emailed/PM'd back and forth letting each other know we are more in jest with this political BS. I did not say anything negative, I apologize if you took it that way Paul. In fact, I have PM'd many of the BOC members and also let them know, I am just pulling their chains as well (GOP and Democrats)... If it matters, I vote both parties in the election, I have voted democrat for president more than once... Just not this time... so everyone please take a happy pill. :cool:

I'm done with this subject. :eek: want more info, PM me...

[SomeSailor]

Anyhow....



What I'm gonna do is start a few new threads it the Club related section of the site just to get some names and ideas flowing... I'll try to get to those this morning.

:)

[1northernstar]

Mike,

My only input on this site is.....any chance you can make the colors and screens at little more....um..er...... "workplace friendly"...?

[Randygh]

Mike--If I can help with structure or organization, sign me up. This is a great website that has been very informative. Unfortunately, since we live on the eastside, we're not able to be around as often as I'd like. The Portlanders probably feel the same, but we're still willing to hang around and help.

[bradvo]

Mike,

My only input on this site is.....any chance you can make the colors and screens at little more....um..er...... "workplace friendly"...?

like what, a spread sheet or a flow chart :-)

I need to learn how to add them emoticons next to what I type to show expresssions