LF rebuttle

[Seapuppy]

I got this from Al this evening and I will check it out in the morning.....I'll post my results afterwards.....I sincerely hope we haven't misjudged or jumped to any conclusions from a bad phone call or a bad competitor..... :argh arr


Steve,

You have always been fair, and I ask 1 favor of you ....

I was just reading what has been posted about me, and I ask that
you hear my side of what is going on.

Mike posted the following:
I just got off the phone with the Sales Manager (Bruce) at Marine USA, Inc.
(1-800-370-2628). He does know of Al... and the first thing he had to say is
"he's a strange bird and a trouble maker"

I have printed out Mikes post, and I will call and confront Bruce in the
morning about Mike "claims" that Bruce did in fact say the above ...

Bruce is "Sales Manager" only for Marine USA.
Marine USA is over an hours drive from our location, there is one
in Lakevilla, MA and one in New Hampshire.

All Outdoors, as are the other affiliates, "INDIVIDUALLY OWNED",
and operate independent from each other with their own hired help.
The affiliation is to give more buying power on the boats ...

I work for All Outdoors, NOT MARINE USA as a salesman, and that can
be verified very easily by a simple phone call to the business:

Mr. Kevin Pellisier Sr. / Mr. Kevin Pellisier Jr. - Owners
All Outdoors Inc.
67 Lawrence Plain Road - Rt. 47
Hadley, MA 01035
1.413.584.4802

He stated that Al IS NOT a salesman for Marine USA, but is instead a customer
for one of their affiliates, All Outdoors down in Hadley. He has personally had
interactions with him and had to ask him to leave the their booth at a local show there
recently.

I DO NOT work for Marine USA, I work for All Outdoors Inc.
I Purchased my 195 from All Outdoors !!
I was NEVER asked to leave a booth, NEVER !!
I worked 1 show before going to the Netherlands, and that was the
Springfield Sportsman Show - 1 day set-up / 4 days of show - all day

He will be contacting the owner there, Mr. Kevin Pelissier, to find out what the story
is behind this, and put a stop to any misrepresentation.

There is NO MIS-REPRESENTATION going on, Kevin also talked to Bruce
a couple times today .... again, I work for All Outdoors, and NOT Marine USA
As a matter of fact, I also talked to Bruce several times today about 3 boats
I sold this past week, and there was NO mention of a call ??
Tomorrow when I go in, I will call and ask him.

Al... to say you're one of their leading salesmen is a bit of a stretch don't you think?

Again, just call the owner of All Outdoors if you do not believe me.
Tell Mike to call him, or is he afraid to find out I am telling the truth !!

You should be more careful with your claims. Just like "your" design of The Lazy Flamingo
it turned out to be the Copyrighted material of a restaurant chain you once ate at in Florida...
(I have emails from them as well) you've over-extended yourself a bit on this too.

The Flamingo I had was found on a graphics search on Google. You must have
noticed that I stopped using it when I found out it was copyrighted.

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Steve,
You posted the following:

Gene...I'm not lonely....but as an honorable person....I felt compelled to defend someone
that is being attacked for no apparant reason other than a dislike of posting style......

I appreciate everything you've done for me ....

Al...From SomeSailors posting ...you have lied to us and used my defense of you as just
more ammunition to ryle up 2 websites.....

Why have you become judgemental against me by 1 post where I cannot defend
myself Steve ? That is not like you ....

Steve, my word is my honor, and I will tell you IN ALL HONESTY that I have
NEVER lied to you on a post or in an e-mail. I NEVER used you to defend me
Steve, you know I always defended myself the best I could. That statement
hurts a little Steve, because I have always told the truth, and defended myself.

I'm sorry to say that I have been made a fool of and can push for you to be banned from
this site......I trusted you to be telling me the truth and to act in an honorable way here......
but when I just read mikes post that you are not a salesperson of distinction at the place
you stated....and to find out that you've been asked to leave a business and have had
several run in's.....

Steve, I have NEVER tried to, thought of, or used you like a fool !!
I considered, and still consider you a man of honor, and in my own way, somewhat
of a friend. I really can't believe that you of all people there become judgemental
by one persons post. I am barred from the sight, so I cannot defend myself
Again, I was NEVER asked to leave a booth at a Boat Show, NEVER !! Again
easily verified by a call to the owner of All Outdoors - 1.413.584.4802
He will tell you how I was there working everyday, Thur. - Sun., from 8AM until
closing, plus the set-up day - Wed. in late February ....
There has been NO boat show recently

I cannot and will not support that person any longer..........
To you guys...I can only offer an appology for defending someone that has no honor
or the ability to tell the truth.....I'm truly sorry that this has escalated to this proportion

Steve, you have the right to support and or defend anyone you so desire.
Like I said before, my word is my honor, and I have ALWAYS been truthful
with you .... I am an honorable person, and I have told you nothing but the truth.

Again, I am barred, so I cannot defend myself ....
I see that Mike is having a grand old time inciting the bashing of me, that is
an honorable person ?? If he don't want me there, fine, delete my threads and
get on with life.
Steve, he and a few others are doing what you have always opposed, and again
it hurts to see that they have finally roped you into their corner.

I am really sorry that you feel the way you do Steve, and I can only say that
it hurts somewhat to read posts bashing me, and not have the ability to defend
myself at all. Again, thats an honorable way for Mike to handle things ??

I hope that you can see through all their BS, and hopefully learn the truth as to
what is what, and understand that I have been telling the truth..

I will ask the owner of All Outdoors to send Mike and you an e-mail to verify
my employment with them, and my status there as a salesman. And since Mike
is in a calling mood, ask him in all fairness to me, to call and talk to the owner
of All Outdoors.

Well Steve, thank you for your time, and for hearing the other side.
I am sending this e-mail, because I know that you are a fair person, and hopefully
you will take the time to get this sorted out before making final judgement ....

Al

Well Steve;

I do apreciate you staying in touch with Al... but in all honesty... I'm done with the whole mess.

He's not welcome here anymore.

[bradvo]

To much like Junior High Drama- was a mess at Boc and looks to have taken over here and finally put to bed.

[linedog]

I feel left out, Al diden't E-Mail me. :cry: I agree with Brad, put this to bed and move on because there is no end in sight.

Ah.... Unknown gender huh?

Better check your new profile :)

[linedog]

Better?

Safer for ya at least :D

[Seapuppy]

it's your site mike.....you can admitt anyone or ban anyone you like....but ....all this crap is inaccurate..........I'm not advocating which way to go.....but like I said...you did infact call the wrong company....people called Al a liar and everything I came up with is that Al is telling the truth about his goings ons in the field of sales of boats...........there is a valid company site on the web.....you guys may not like al....you may even hate him or are envious for whatever reason.....i have no idea and I'm not trying to figure out what ........
but the truth be known....Al is telling the truth about himself.........no since he's banned.....that isn't my decision....but you guys are big boys......you can do the same research I did on the web and make the phone calls yourselves.......I would be defending wacko jacko too if I felt he was being slanderized or lied about.....(not that I think he's not nuts)..I'd even defend ted-ster if I felt he was being wronged...but truth be known.....Al has told the truth and you guys were tossed some inaccurate info and then fed on it like sharks sniffing blood in the water....
All I'm saying is treat others as you would like to be treated.......you guys are wrong and Al was telling the truth.....just cuz you don't like his style doesn't mean he's a liar......it means you don't like him for whatever reason.......
..ok...off my soap box.......I gotta go to class..... :argh arrrr

[linedog]

Sorry, never called him a liar just a weasel. I don't think he ever "lied" but did a heck of a job hiding the facts. Sorry again just a weasel with no soul.

It's done Steve.

He posted his silly business card... claimed to be working for the East Coast's Largest dealer... yada... yada... yada...

It's all crap. Draw your own conclusions. Something stunk about this guy from the very beginning.

Remember the cool "Lazy Flamingo Logo" he designed?

http://www.lazyflamingo.com/nav_images/left_nav_01_r1_c1.gif

OOOoops... It's a corporate logo. The Lazy Flamingo (www.lazyflamingo.com)

Like much of the stuff he CLAIMS to have done, it's either exagerated or total BS.

I'm really tempted to make some calls and find out how much of that military career of his is legit.

[tolly28]

I'm not a real active poster, but I follow these forums pretty close. I'm glad to see him gone. He's annoying, plain and simple. He posted crap just for the sake of posting.

I'm going boating! Looking forward to seeing the drama unfold when I return after the weekend.

Hope you guys all get out on the water soon!

[heymagic]

Anytime , ANYONE in our age group is followed by controversy and is always at odds with most of the people they interact with, then that person needs to sit down, shut up and look at the world through others eyes. No one, irregardless of past deeds, military service, birthright or income should have a reasonable expectation of acceptance if all they do is against the normal accepted standards of a community. I would never condemn someone's individuality, that is the human spirit after all, but....if you walk into a logger bar and profess your homosexuality, you likely will get an asswhoopin. If you want to wear black nail polish, a mohawk, wear a tee shirt that says 'F**k the world" you likely won't get an invite to sing center stage at the "Daughters of the Revolution' luncheon. Al may be a great guy but maybe he needs to find a place to live that appreciates his behavior. I don't think that place is here necessarily, obviously not BOC and he has much more reason to be there. There must be thousands of different web groups a person can belong to, I post on at least 6 regularly. Only one of those websites has a guy at odds with most everyone on any given day. He is personally known by many of us, is chastized regulary by the moderators BUT...he does offer good input most of the time, you just gotta sort through the chafe to get to the wheat. The rest of those sites will toss a problem poster in a heartbeat.

Wasn't that long ago that Seapup said 'IBNW is a joke and it's members are clowns' ,so maybe it's time to let this one go. Too much drama, on-line soap opera so to speak. Life's too short...

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and no one even likes the changes I've spent most of the day makin' to the site :(

Spellchecker... events calendar... profile changes...

All we wanna talk about is Al. :)

Anyhow... I gotta go peel another couple feet of paint off the old Carver.

My self-imposed rule is ... I'm taking a minimum off 4 square feet a day. :)

I'll be caulking in no time. Gene you got my new motor all cleaned up and runnin' smooth?

[Stratocaster]

So Mike you're saying it'll all be worthwhile when you're standing beside the Carver with your caulk in your hand?

HAHAHAHA!

Yes I hope it will. Just need to get the lapstrakes and keelboard sealed back up... the rest of it's ugliness can be fixed anytime. But I need to get that hull watertight again before I take her on the river chasin' the humpies this August. :)

[Tedster]

Ah golly gee wizz SS I still love ya, and I think the updates are great as soon as I figure out how to use them.

Ted :D

[3788sam]

I even like the new IBNW Logo in upper left hand corner :P
Thanks Mike!

[Seapuppy]

I'm not disagreeing that al is a pain.....I'm not saying he didn't offend....but mike called the wrong guys.....he was told some stuff that was incorrect.......I don't give a rats behind if we debate this till the cows come home...........but at least get some fact correct before you chastise someone .......mike....you did call the wrong guy....I called the one and checked his companies website......I'm going to the boat this weekend and you guys can debate it till your blue in the face.....
note......I never stated that everyone here was clowns.....I stated that "the clowns over there"...yada yada yada......
....so you guys draw your own conclusions.......Mike.....as stated ...I spoke to the owner......call him...not some nimrod at another store that is a competitor......

[Tedster]

Stevie, let it go let it go let it go!!!!!!! Ted 8)

[Tedster]

Now wait just a darn minute there 'lil fella have some respect for a fellow NW boater. Those active here and our esteemed web manager have told you that this matter is a done deal and time to move on, so please listen up and get over it while we still love ya here! Ted :D