Ft Hood tragedy

[Randygh]

:mad:Yesterday's massacre at Ft. Hood was terrible. The shooter, a muslim Army shrink, was greatly opposed to American troop involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan and had spoken postively in support of suicide bombers.

"Soldiers who witnessed the rampage reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" "

The bastardo is paralyzed and on a ventilator at this time. He should be killed after being tried and convicted. This guy was NOT crazy and knew exactly what he was doing. He did it to perform his own jihad against infidels.

I would like to comment about the muslim religion and this SOB, but what I would say is not polically correct and dirty words are not permitted on this good form.

[Tedster]

Why oh why do we allow the those kind of people in our country and wait for them to go bonkers on us??? :x

[Go Aweigh2452]

:mad:

"Soldiers who witnessed the rampage reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" "


I would like to comment about the muslim religion and this SOB, but what I would say is not polically correct and dirty words are not permitted on this good form.


Well, as long as we don't profile... :mad: How many non-Muslims have you seen go postal?

[JimmyB]

To "Jaruba", "we" = who? (Also Randygh while I'm about it...)
All of us have been "let into this country" and "some of us" (Timothy McVeigh, to name one) have done horrible things. This is no exception. Is it worse that he happened to be a Muslim rather than a nice Christian boy like Eric Rudolf?
We are a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-you-name-it country. Seem to be a lot of crazies here and there too. It's sad that they cause a lot of damage in America.

[SomeSailor]

That's a good point. It can't be about "who we let into the country" so much as how we run things here.

The shooter in this case gave plenty of clues that he was loosely wound. We should avoid the temptation to blame his religious beliefs for what he did.

[Go Aweigh2452]

I don't know how you guys don't see this... Does it take 3,000 deaths to elevate it to the level you'd admit it...





Open your eyes guys...


This was the first successful Jihad we have had since 9/11 period. I could less what his nationality is or was. It was his misguided belief in the Muslim religion. It has been verified... He yelled "Allahu Akbar!" as he shot dead 13 Americans... duh!

You think he was just an irrational soldier or something? He was a Jihadist period amen! :evil:

[SomeSailor]

You think he was just an irrational soldier or something? He was a Jihadist period amen! :evil:

I agree he was a religious fanatic, and a jihadist. I suppose I should have been clearer. This isn't about the Muslim religion as much as it is about a nut job that turned on his fellow soldiers.

I don't blame the religion, or where he's from was my point. There are MANY immigrants and many Muslims in this country who don't agree with his philosophy. Simply saying "why do we let them in our country?" won't solve this.

[dumluck53]

The problem I have is where are all of the legit Muslims in this country standing up and denouncing what is happening with these jihadists radicals?? What is going on in these mosques? The fact is that we don't know. You can go into any Christian or Jewish church and see what is going on and you are welcome but you can't just go into a muslim church and see what they are teaching.

Muslims need to stand up for their country first and their "brothers" second.

[SomeSailor]

You can go into any Christian or Jewish church and see what is going on and you are welcome but you can't just go into a muslim church and see what they are teaching.

I dunno. I've never tried to walk into a masque or a synagogue for that matter either. The same logic could apply to the Mormon Church though. They don't allow non-Mormons within the sanctuary... or women for that matter in certain areas.

I don't believe this is a "Muslim" thing... the guy went nuts and used religious fanaticism as the excuse to take a cowards way out.

[dumluck53]

I dunno. I've never tried to walk into a masque or a synagogue for that matter either. The same logic could apply to the Mormon Church though. They don't allow non-Mormons within the sanctuary... or women for that matter in certain areas.

I don't believe this is a "Muslim" thing... the guy went nuts and used religious fanaticism as the excuse to take a cowards way out.


Good point about the Mormons. I do believe the guy was nuts but it also sounds like he was sincere in his Muslim beliefs that the war on terrorism is wrong and, I do believe, in the final analysis, this was an act of terrorism. It was more than some crazy dude who didn't want to be deployed.

[SomeSailor]

I do believe, in the final analysis, this was an act of terrorism. It was more than some crazy dude who didn't want to be deployed.

I agree. Even if he was a total loon, this should be treated as an act of terrorism., My only point is the fact that he is Muslim should be secondary. He acted alone as far as we know. He's a coward and hiding behind his religion to avoid combat as far as I know.

Good news is he's paralyzed. He'll be easier to guard that way. Hopefully since he's a commissioned Officer, and we're at war, they execute him at a firing squad. He betrayed the country he swore to defend, and killed those he swore an oath to heal, to do no harm.

No officer can be, or should be, forgiven for betraying and harming his soldiers. He'll meet his maker just after he meets a government-issue .223 caliber round delivered by a row of young soldiers. :)

[dumluck53]

Hopefully since he's a commissioned Officer, and we're at war, they execute him at a firing squad. He betrayed the country he swore to defend, and killed those he swore an oath to heal, to do no harm.

No officer can be, or should be, forgiven for betraying and harming his soldiers. He'll meet his maker just after he meets a government-issue .223 caliber round delivered by a row of young soldiers. :)

THAT'S what I'm talkin' about!

[Tedster]

To "Jaruba", "we" = who? (Also Randygh while I'm about it...)
All of us have been "let into this country" and "some of us" (Timothy McVeigh, to name one) have done horrible things. This is no exception. Is it worse that he happened to be a Muslim rather than a nice Christian boy like Eric Rudolf?
We are a multi-cultural, multi-ethnic, multi-you-name-it country. Seem to be a lot of crazies here and there too. It's sad that they cause a lot of damage in America.

The last time I checked I was/am an American, therefore I can say or believe anything I want. And I'm saying the borders are too loose and we need to tighten them up and keep these religious terrorists outa here! Got it!! :x

[SomeSailor]

But Ted... this nut job was recruited into the US Army... he was a Doctor...

Closing the borders wouldn't have prevented this.

[tolly28]

There are plenty of "religious terrorists" that are born right here within our borders. Although they're not killing people, we have the fine folks (read sarcasm) from the Westboro Baptist Church. Wackos.

[Randygh]

I don't think the guy was nuts. His parents were from Palestine and he was born in America. Now I agree that many multiple killings are by nut cases, however there are instances where the murderers knew exactly what they were doing and did it with malicious intent. Remember Columbine? Those little asholes weren't nuts. Also, what about the guy from Tacoma who murdered many people in the Washington DC area? He wasn't nuts. He was a muslim.

Please tell me what religous group followers cheered after the World Trade Center buildings collapsed? Three thousand innocent people died and the bastardos cheered at the news. Guess what folks--they were muslims. Did the Jewish people cheer? What about Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Christians, and Shintos? I don't recall that followers of other religions have bombed US embassies, Marine barracks, the Taj Mahal hotel, Spanish subways and other terrorist acts. Islam is the only religion that I know of that cheers for jihadist suicide bombers.

Recently, there have been several Army officers who didn't agree with US involvement in Iraq and refused to follow orders for deployment. Did they go postal and murder fellow servicemen? No they didn't.

Interestingly, I have read about some muslim preachers speaking out against the murderous act at Ft. Hood. Good for them.

I agree with what other folks on the thread have said about acts of terrorism by religous fanatics that were not muslim. The asholes who murder abortion physicians or those who cheer at the funerals of servicemen killed in action are scum bags just like Hasan. They aren't nuts, they are murderers.

[SomeSailor]

I dunno randy, I'm just going for the sweeping generalization that because the people that attacked America on 9/11 were Muslim, and since fanatical Muslims in parts of the world cheered, then I have to fear Muslims.

That logic fallacy will get us in more trouble. All an attacker has to do then is appear white and American, and he's got full advantage.

As soon as this guy started making the statements he made, and acting the way he did, he should have been suspect. It's easy to judge after the fact. I just hope they do the right thing now... and do it quickly.

Wheel him out in the yard... get six volunteers... one bullet each and a Judge Advocate to find him guilty. Shouldn't take more than a couple of hours.

[Tedster]

I don't think the guy was nuts. His parents were from Palestine and he was born in America. Now I agree that many multiple killings are by nut cases, however there are instances where the murderers knew exactly what they were doing and did it with malicious intent. Remember Columbine? Those little asholes weren't nuts. Also, what about the guy from Tacoma who murdered many people in the Washington DC area? He wasn't nuts. He was a muslim.

Please tell me what religous group followers cheered after the World Trade Center buildings collapsed? Three thousand innocent people died and the bastardos cheered at the news. Guess what folks--they were muslims. Did the Jewish people cheer? What about Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Christians, and Shintos? I don't recall that followers of other religions have bombed US embassies, Marine barracks, the Taj Mahal hotel, Spanish subways and other terrorist acts. Islam is the only religion that I know of that cheers for jihadist suicide bombers.

Recently, there have been several Army officers who didn't agree with US involvement in Iraq and refused to follow orders for deployment. Did they go postal and murder fellow servicemen? No they didn't.

Interestingly, I have read about some muslim preachers speaking out against the murderous act at Ft. Hood. Good for them.

I agree with what other folks on the thread have said about acts of terrorism by religous fanatics that were not muslim. The asholes who murder abortion physicians or those who cheer at the funerals of servicemen killed in action are scum bags just like Hasan. They aren't nuts, they are murderers.

Well put Rangy, well put, what I was trying to say!

[tolly28]

Islam is the second largest religious group in the world, and the fastest growing group as well.

I don't claim to know much at all about Islam, but from what I have read, their teachings are peace-centered- just as any other mainstream religion.

In reference to Muslims cheering in the aftermath of 9/11, a video clip flashed on CNN of a small group of people is hardly representative of an entire religion. Our own beloved Jerry Falwell announced that the 9/11 attacks were God's punishment for all the nasty things we allow...

The problem is Islam, Mormanism, Christianity... It's radical fundamentalists. Every religion attracts the best and the worst.

[Go Aweigh2452]

I don't think the guy was nuts. His parents were from Palestine and he was born in America. Now I agree that many multiple killings are by nut cases, however there are instances where the murderers knew exactly what they were doing and did it with malicious intent. Remember Columbine? Those little asholes weren't nuts. Also, what about the guy from Tacoma who murdered many people in the Washington DC area? He wasn't nuts. He was a muslim.

Please tell me what religous group followers cheered after the World Trade Center buildings collapsed? Three thousand innocent people died and the bastardos cheered at the news. Guess what folks--they were muslims. Did the Jewish people cheer? What about Hindus, Buddhists, Taoists, Christians, and Shintos? I don't recall that followers of other religions have bombed US embassies, Marine barracks, the Taj Mahal hotel, Spanish subways and other terrorist acts. Islam is the only religion that I know of that cheers for jihadist suicide bombers.

Recently, there have been several Army officers who didn't agree with US involvement in Iraq and refused to follow orders for deployment. Did they go postal and murder fellow servicemen? No they didn't.

Interestingly, I have read about some muslim preachers speaking out against the murderous act at Ft. Hood. Good for them.

I agree with what other folks on the thread have said about acts of terrorism by religous fanatics that were not muslim. The asholes who murder abortion physicians or those who cheer at the funerals of servicemen killed in action are scum bags just like Hasan. They aren't nuts, they are murderers.

Thanks Randy... once more we think alike...


And Mike, no one is looking at all Muslims as potential killers but they are all looked at as possible jihads... name another group of religious zealots that have the "jihad" moniker... they use it, they created it and they kill under it... just a fact of life...

In addition, I think because of PC correctness, this Maj should have been questioned as far back as 6 months ago but wasn't for fear of who knows what...

I guess it would have looked like profiling and heaven forbid anyone does that... We are all becoming brain washed like sheep afraid of anything in wolves clothing...

[Tedster]

"I guess it would have looked like profiling and heaven forbid anyone does that... We are all becoming brain washed like sheep afraid of anything in wolves clothing..."

Oh my gaud yes, now that is what I'm really talking about. Everyone (including some here) are soooooo damn afraid of saying it right and saying the so called "right thing", rather than saying it like they really feel. Step up to the plate and only fear silence!!

[tolly28]

"I guess it would have looked like profiling and heaven forbid anyone does that... We are all becoming brain washed like sheep afraid of anything in wolves clothing..."

Oh my gaud yes, now that is what I'm really talking about. Everyone (including some here) are soooooo damn afraid of saying it right and saying the so called "right thing", rather than saying it like they really feel. Step up to the plate and only fear silence!!

That's what you're talking about? As far as I've noticed, you haven't really said a thing, rather quoted and affirmed what others have posted...

I guess somehow you see disagreement as being afraid to express one's true feelings. Don't quite understand that.

[Randygh]

During WWII many of the Southwest Pacific Islands (Indonesia, Borneo, the Solomon Islands) were inhabited by muslims. When American worships or aircraft were sunk or shot down in the early years of the war, the sailors or airmen tried to avoid contact with the muslim islanders. The muslims would either kill the fleeing Americans or capture them and hand them over to the occupying Japanese forces. Of course the muslims had reason to turn the Americans over to the Japanese, because if the Japanese found out the islanders were harboring or aiding the Americans, they probably would have been killed too.

I'm not afraid of muslims. I know only one muslim fellow quite well, and he is a great guy. He's from Iran.

As stated, probably every religion has zealots that do stupid things in the name of religion. That doesn't make them nuts, it makes them criminals. It just seems to me that muslim extremists want to kill everyone that is a nonbeliever, and they have absolutely no problem killing civilians.

[Tedster]

Steve, did you really think I was talking about you........oh heck no! So according to you I'm only agreeing with a few guys, like lets say Doug and Randy...............oh heck yes that is exactly right. :shock:

[tolly28]

As stated, probably every religion has zealots that do stupid things in the name of religion. That doesn't make them nuts, it makes them criminals. It just seems to me that muslim extremists want to kill everyone that is a nonbeliever, and they have absolutely no problem killing civilians.

Completely agree.

[Go Aweigh2452]

Many Muslims come from backgrounds that don't include but the most rudimentary education. All of them, Sunni, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Turkmen, Pushtuns, etc... These guys are Huns... actual, living Huns.. They LIVE to fight. It's what they do. It's ALL they do.. They have no respect for anything, not for their families, nor for each other. They fight and claw at one another as a way of life as early as when they can walk and carry a rock. They play polo with dead calves and force their five-year-old sons into human cockfights to defend the family honor. Huns, roaming packs of savage, heartless beasts who feed on each other's barbarism. They do not nor do they want to understand how society today is suppose to function. They know nothing else. They are for the most part...

Cavemen with AK-47's.

Why or how does an educated man like the MAJ go berserk? My read on this jerk... Probably listening to all the PTS soldiers coming back from the Middle East. Sounds like he feared what they went through and feared his would be the same fate... His fear fed itself till he could no longer take it... But he did not listen to his own advice... seek help, professional help... Now 13 people are dead and he is going to face more than he would have over seas. He deserves to be put down like the mad dog he is... this self professed Muslim...

[SomeSailor]

... And Mike, no one is looking at all Muslims as potential killers but they are all looked at as possible jihads... name another group of religious zealots that have the "jihad" moniker... they use it, they created it and they kill under it... just a fact of life..

Well... in the strictest terms, all Muslims are followers of jihad. It's a tenant of their religion, just as the ten commandments guide a Christian.

It's the misunderstanding that we all have of their religion that they're all killers, and potential suicide bombers that gets me going.

This guy is a nut. He committed a horrid crime in the name of his religion. That's where I draw the line. I could care less if he were Muslim or a Jew, he's a murderer and a traitor.

[SomeSailor]

Everyone (including some here) are soooooo damn afraid of saying it right and saying the so called "right thing", rather than saying it like they really feel.

No Ted.

This IS how I really feel.

[Tedster]

No Ted.

This IS how I really feel.

.........and I'm fine with that Mike! :)

[bradvo]

I find this extremely disturbing in the aftermath of Ft Hood

http://www.breitbart.tv/radical-nyc-muslim-group-praises-fort-hood-shooter/

Guess I would not have a chance in hell of being the Prez, I would not only kick these basturds out I would kick them the F*ck out. :evil:

[Tedster]

I find this extremely disturbing in the aftermath of Ft Hood

http://www.breitbart.tv/radical-nyc-muslim-group-praises-fort-hood-shooter/

Guess I would not have a chance in hell of being the Prez, I would not only kick these basturds out I would kick them the F*ck out. :evil:

Oh no Brad, not only did we let them f-ers in our Country, we let them stay in our Country, and even better we spend our money to watch them. "We" being the government of the US. Good grief enough is enough!

[SomeSailor]

As much as I despise their message, I support their right to voice it. It's a shame that we have people within our borders that are so openly subversive.

It would be nice to escort them to the border and kick 'em the hell out... but our laws are designed to protect their right to free speech and open protest.

(Wouldn't break my heart if someone beat their asses though) :cool:

[bradvo]

As much as I despise their message, I support their right to voice it. It's a shame that we have people within our borders that are so openly subversive.

It would be nice to escort them to the border and kick 'em the hell out... but our laws are designed to protect their right to free speech and open protest.

(Wouldn't break my heart if someone beat their asses though) :cool:


well, like you read else where, yell Allahu Akbar first so ya do not get charged with a hate crime. :mrgreen:

[bradvo]

Oh no Brad, not only did we let them f-ers in our Country, we let them stay in our Country, and even better we spend our money to watch them. "We" being the government of the US. Good grief enough is enough!

I agree, war on terrorism and we let these guys promote to rise against us.

[wickus]

Let 'em come, but let the hammer fall hard and deadly for those who pervert their key to the best country in the world.

[Go Aweigh2452]

I find this extremely disturbing in the aftermath of Ft Hood

http://www.breitbart.tv/radical-nyc-muslim-group-praises-fort-hood-shooter/

Guess I would not have a chance in hell of being the Prez, I would not only kick these basturds out I would kick them the F*ck out. :evil:

Get me their address... I'll talk to Guido...

[Randygh]

The DC beltway sniper is going to be snuffed tonight. The US Supreme Court refused to hear his appeal and Virginia's governor refused a pardon. Tonight he gets to meet allah, but I bet there won't be 72 virgins waiting for him.

Too bad Hasan can't be fast-tracked to the same fate as John Allen Muhammad.

[Go Aweigh2452]

The DC beltway sniper is going to be snuffed tonight. The US Supreme Court refused to hear his appeal and Virginia's governor refused a pardon. Tonight he gets to meet allah, but I bet there won't be 72 virgins waiting for him.

Too bad Hasan can't be fast-tracked to the same fate as John Allen Muhammad.

Yeah, he goes to meet his maker and he runs into Thomas Jefferson who beats his butt then George Washington beats his butt then so does James Madison, then James Monroe, then Zachary Taylor, on and on...

and he finally asks... What the heck, where are my 72 virgins...




Oh you are mistaken, we meant 72 Virginians...

[Randygh]

I heard on the radio this morning Hasan is paralyzed in his legs but can move his arms slightly and that he will be in the hospital for 3 more months. What the heck is his medical care costing the US? A million or 2?? Why doesn't the Army just plant his sorry sas in a wheelchair, put him on a quick flight to Leavenworth Federal Penitentiary and introduce him to the general population in the prison?

When a paralyzed muslim meets allah, is he made whole again so he can perform with the 72 virgins?

[tolly28]

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Gotta love "The Family Guy"!

[Webjammin]

Well if im doin my cipher'n corect like like Jethro teached me
This video represents 288 Virgins gettin to keep it a little longer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YghXyZCqnL8

Let there maker sort out the pieces.

Oh and thats one smart Dog in the upper right corner.

[Go Aweigh2452]

Gotta love a happy ending... :eek:

[Tedster]

Yup that is what that bastard needs..............a quick flight of bullets, and do it now!

[JimmyB]

Ah the Jihadists... how unfortunate that it is happening to us.. now. The Crusaders, descending on Muslim Infidels 800 or more years ago, were Christians doing the same or worse than what the Jihadists do today. We just have to get over this stuff... it will go away eventually. :-)