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voyager
03-25-2010, 09:16 AM
Well now that I am on the yacht club kick, and I am done bashing them, I have a question. How much would it take for IBNW to lease dock space as an outstation location? Or perhaps lease space at an area marina so we gained reciprocal rights? Or is that something that is just out of reach right now?
sunnydude2
03-25-2010, 12:34 PM
I think it would be out of reach for a while. Doubt the marinas give any breaks so you are basically leasing out a spot somewhere for an entire year. :(
SomeSailor
03-25-2010, 12:55 PM
I'd say with the current system in place, there's no way it could work. We're essentially only covering operating expenses at this point. Burgees cost $25.50 a piece so we actually lose money when a person joins initially.

Hard to imagine buying any space at an outstation with that.

But... that being said, there are many ways in which a virtual yacht club can make use of such things, but a business plan that supports that sort of perk isn't in the foreseeable future. Lots of reasons why, but the first hurdle would be liability. An LLC would be the first step in that direction, but that's still down the road.

Great idea though. maybe some day.
Go Aweigh2452
03-25-2010, 03:08 PM
Recips are fine if you are not wanting to be with the group. Great for a single trip someplace. Example is Liberty Bay (Poulsbo) their recip is on the breakwater... Recips in general are not the best slips anywhere. We seldom use them... Navy Yacht Club Everett recip is next to the black water dump station... nuf said...
voyager
03-25-2010, 05:07 PM
Recips are fine if you are not wanting to be with the group. Great for a single trip someplace. Example is Liberty Bay (Poulsbo) their recip is on the breakwater... Recips in general are not the best slips anywhere. We seldom use them... Navy Yacht Club Everett recip is next to the black water dump station... nuf said...

Yes a lot of the recips are not the best location but then again some are not that bad. Kingston is right at the bottom of the ramp, so at 10:30 when the dog has to go it is OK.
Same with La Conner, They have a separate dock right at the bottom of the ramp, I like that one. Everett is OK, they have there own dock it is next to the fuel dock but the wind normally is blowing all the fumes away and again a short walk to get the dog to shore. Then again reciprocals are hard to find open unless you are there early in the day.

That leaves us with outstation's lets all just form a LLC and buy Todd's uncles place as an outstation 8).

Better yet maybe he would just let us use it as an outstation :argh2
SomeSailor
03-25-2010, 05:32 PM
That leaves us with outstation's lets all just form a LLC and buy Todd's uncles place as an outstation.

Forming an LLC is a necessary evil we'll go through eventually. Recips and the rest of that is outside the scope of what we have funds for. :)
voyager
03-25-2010, 05:35 PM
OK then how about the discount at Fisheries Supply? They give other clubs discounts?
kwb
03-25-2010, 05:45 PM
I think most clubs are structured as not for profit organizations not LLC
SomeSailor
03-25-2010, 06:00 PM
That's the case in some, but not all. LLC gives all the protection without the hassles of proving and maintaining your status under 501(c).

The biggest problem with a non-profit status is the loose interpretation of 501(c) "nonprofit: a public charity or private foundation established for purposes that are religious, educational, charitable, scientific, literary, testing for public safety, fostering of national or international amateur sports, or prevention of cruelty to animals and children."

I suppose you could claim education. :)

Either way. The main reason would be to protect Officers from liability, not so much to change tax status.
SomeSailor
03-25-2010, 06:02 PM
OK then how about the discount at Fisheries Supply? They give other clubs discounts?

I suppose we could approach them. I have talked with Don at Churchill Canvas and he has agreed to a 10% discount. Mike at West Marine said they do the same on a store by store basis.
Nehalennia
03-25-2010, 06:55 PM
.........................I know an island in Canada we can buy......anyone?
SomeSailor
03-26-2010, 05:48 AM
Outstation rights perhaps?
Nehalennia
03-26-2010, 06:28 AM
Outstation rights perhaps?

currently with an escort yes.
SomeSailor
03-26-2010, 08:37 AM
That's a different bird then. Guests and true outstations are different proposals (not that we're ready to do any thing along those lines). Just to illustrate the complexities of such things.
Nehalennia
03-26-2010, 03:24 PM
That's a different bird then. Guests and true outstations are different proposals (not that we're ready to do any thing along those lines). Just to illustrate the complexities of such things.

Well what I was saying is thay my Aunt and Uncle's island (currently for sale) is what I was talking about. They let me and their Son, Brady go up there. I've had Doug, Lea and Julie and Scott up there a couple years ago and Doug and Lea last summer. My Aunt and Uncle just want one of us there to handle things. So if we create a rendezvous that includes that area, and I can make it then it would be a great time , and it's a nice place for our group.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/ToddOlason/Island%20Misc%20pictures/198.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/ToddOlason/Island%20Misc%20pictures/Caldwell2003140.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/ToddOlason/Island%20Misc%20pictures/Caldwell2003143.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/ToddOlason/CSR%20Iboat%20Rendezvous%20Jul18%20to%20Aug%2003%2 008/CaldwellJul240820-1.jpg
3788sam
03-26-2010, 04:03 PM
Mike at West Marine said they do the same on a store by store basis.
Mike and Troy are heading to the Bellevue store:(
SomeSailor
03-26-2010, 04:44 PM
My Aunt and Uncle just want one of us there to handle things. So if we create a rendezvous that includes that area, and I can make it then it would be a great time , and it's a nice place for our group.

That's a fun trip, but not the same as an outstation.
Papa Charlie
03-26-2010, 04:56 PM
Todd,
Your Uncle's and Aunt's place is beautiful. I could see spending a couple of weeks in a place like that. Even if it didn't have the cabin it would be nice to tie up to and relax.
Nehalennia
03-26-2010, 05:18 PM
That's a fun trip, but not the same as an outstation.

Sure it is. It's not different than the outstations Seattle Yacht club has or Queen City has
http://www.seattleyachtclub.org/Default.aspx?p=DynamicModule&pageid=286495&ssid=164138&vnf=1
http://www.queencity.org/stations
They just have a bigger budget than we do. :-)
SomeSailor
03-26-2010, 08:36 PM
Sure it is. It's not different than the outstations Seattle Yacht club has or Queen City has...

It's not fair to call your uncle's place an "outstation" really. It's great that he'd let you use the place and have friends there with you, but totally different. Reciprocals and outstations are more than that and available to all members at all times regardless of who you're traveling with. Sounds like a cool place though.
2859er
03-26-2010, 08:41 PM
Well what I was saying is thay my Aunt and Uncle's island (currently for sale) is what I was talking about. They let me and their Son, Brady go up there. I've had Doug, Lea and Julie and Scott up there a couple years ago and Doug and Lea last summer. My Aunt and Uncle just want one of us there to handle things. So if we create a rendezvous that includes that area, and I can make it then it would be a great time , and it's a nice place for our group.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/ToddOlason/Island%20Misc%20pictures/198.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/ToddOlason/Island%20Misc%20pictures/Caldwell2003140.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/ToddOlason/Island%20Misc%20pictures/Caldwell2003143.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o99/ToddOlason/CSR%20Iboat%20Rendezvous%20Jul18%20to%20Aug%2003%2 008/CaldwellJul240820-1.jpg

Wow!! That is a beautiful place. Where is it?
Nehalennia
03-26-2010, 09:00 PM
It's not fair to call your uncle's place an "outstation" really. It's great that he'd let you use the place and have friends there with you, but totally different. Reciprocals and outstations are more than that and available to all members at all times regardless of who you're traveling with. Sounds like a cool place though.

Yeah, I get your perspective, but in jest I was saying if iBoatNW bought the island it would be an outstation. All members of IboatNW would be able to use it.

2859:
It's Caldwell island
http://www.bing.com/maps/default.aspx?v=2&cp=49.74284401966124~-124.04587648808956&lvl=13&sty=h&sp=Point.s8qmj54nwp7m_Caldwell%20Is.____&ss=yp.B%402C~pg.1
Play N Hookie II
03-27-2010, 06:39 AM
I hadn't heard that. That stinks.

I would love to go the the island sometime when you are heading out. That is if I ever have a boat that starts.
SomeSailor
03-27-2010, 07:47 AM
Yeah, I get your perspective, but in jest I was saying if iBoatNW bought the island it would be an outstation. All members of IboatNW would be able to use it.

Well... if the small number of people in this club had the money to buy and ISLAND... then I suspect raising the cash to support buying into reciprocals and outstations wouldn't be much of an issue.

I just wanted to clarify that while your uncle's place is amazing, it wouldn't work from a club perspective unless it were some sort of annual fee for annual use. Short of 'buying' a piece of real estate, that's how it's done. It's much the same as a reciprocal agreement but the space sits vacant if no one uses it. Does your uncle use that dock space throughout the year?

Would he be approachable with a dock space agreement for a few days of the year? If they were preset days a couple of times a year it might work, but that would be after any LLC and liability work is complete.
Nehalennia
03-27-2010, 08:12 AM
...it was a joke Mike. I know we're not going to buy an outstation with our $25/year dues.
SomeSailor
03-27-2010, 08:23 AM
No you're not. But as clubs grow, such things do become options. Negotiated reciprocals are a possibility down the road. We know your uncle owns an island. We know he wants to sell it.

The original question was a serious one, and I was answering it as such. If your uncle would be interested in leasing some dock space for a few weekends a year. You might find that it's not as far out of the question as you'd imagine.
II Lucky
03-27-2010, 04:50 PM
Darn it, I thought I had my summer trip planned. Todd, that is a beautiful spot. How many Millions are they asking. 2.7?? Just a guess. Someone needs to win the lottery to help the greater good of boating here on IBNW. I'm trying but so far no luck.
Nehalennia
03-27-2010, 08:58 PM
Darn it, I thought I had my summer trip planned. Todd, that is a beautiful spot. How many Millions are they asking. 2.7?? Just a guess. Someone needs to win the lottery to help the greater good of boating here on IBNW. I'm trying but so far no luck.
http://landquest.com/detailmain.asp?prop=08116&curpage=7&search=oceanfrontlist
$1.3
http://landquest.com/E_brochure_holder.asp?Area=SWBC&Path=08116&PDF=CaldwellWeb.pdf
Watts-N-Shots
03-27-2010, 11:43 PM
What a cool place! 1.3 seems reasonable....for an island. Just needs solar power with the gen for backup. Property taxes are cheap there I see. Was it used as a B&B once upon a time?
Nehalennia
03-28-2010, 07:01 AM
What a cool place! 1.3 seems reasonable....for an island. Just needs solar power with the gen for backup. Property taxes are cheap there I see. Was it used as a B&B once upon a time?

It has a brand new 12KW Onan genni.
SomeSailor
03-28-2010, 07:10 AM
So... do you think he would lease us some dock space on a daily rate?
Nehalennia
03-28-2010, 09:33 AM
I don't think he really wants people there without one of us there. I can ask, but I don't think they want the liability or potential damage. We may be going up later this spring to do some repairs to allow them to showcase it better for sale. Brady and I may organize a guys work party trip.
SomeSailor
03-28-2010, 12:13 PM
So back to the thread then. Paul had an interesting idea yesterday that might be worth looking into someday. We might be able to look at getting a short-term slip arrangement made at someplace like Friday Harbor or Lopez that could be sublet under the club's name. If you arranged for a six month lease then it would be available for anyone that happened to be up that way. Another idea would be a fund raiser / raffle / auction setup that could be used to get some space available for club members that might be in the area.

I could probably donate some IBNW swag to the cause to raise some cash (hats, tees, polos or the likes). I probably have some gear around here that could raise some funds for something fun.
burrman
03-29-2010, 02:32 PM
Here's a thought,

We, whoever wants to, form an LLC and invest in the Island, Todds Aunt & Uncles, and purchase it for the IBNW Yacht Club clubhouse.
Need to know the cost and the amount of people that would like to invest for equil shares. Maybe a little far fetched but it's an idea.
Randygh
03-29-2010, 05:10 PM
I'm treasurer of the Wenatchee Sportmen's Association and two years ago we converted from a 501(c)4 to a 501(c)3. There was much paperwork to submit to the IRS. It took about 6 months, but it was granted. Surprisingly the IRS representative that was assigned to our paperwork was very helpful, patient and courteous. Incredible for the IRS, but that guy deserved an atta-boy. A not for profit LLC sounds like a good idea for IBNW.