What's the deal here?

[mkronmal]

No sticky explaining what this is for, but I do need some signage made...

[SomeSailor]

That's the deal... Just give me an idea of what you need (size, color, font, shadow, graphics, quantity, etc) and I'll whip something up for ya and post a proof on here. We can go from there.

I work out of a spare room here (my studio :) ) and therefore don't have a lot of overhead :D

I've got a very nice cutter/plotter and all the software you'll find at any high-end shop and use only premium 8-year vinyl.

Lemme know...

[mkronmal]

OK, so lets get an idea. You can send me an email or post pricing.

How about "Due Bounds" in Black Chancery or equivalent. Maybe 6 inch high lettering, black. I would need a set of two for placing on the walkaround cover (see image below),

Something like...
http://www.mjkphoto.net/coppermine/albums/uploads/DueBoundsgraphic.jpg

[SomeSailor]

How's this?

"Due Bounds" in 6" Black Chancery

http://www.iboatnw.com/gallery/data/media/78/Due_Bounds_-_Rev_001.jpg

A simple, single color like this would be $30.00. I could have it in the mail this afternoon, probably be there tomorrow.

[mkronmal]

Let me measure up the panel to be certain on size. I'l also need something for the transom in a while.

Thanks

[SomeSailor]

Yeah... get the exact size and then I'll modify the proof and show it to you here. :)

[mkronmal]

Space is about 18" x 40", so that size would work. Do you have some font samples so I could discuss with my better half?

Cheers

[SomeSailor]

8,500 or so :)

Probably best if you picked something you're partial to. Brush Script usually looks pretty classy, stay away from heavy serifs and whispy tails,,, and the rest is pretty much a matter of preference.

[mkronmal]

How does this look? Not sure is you can scale it that way. The space is roughly 40" x 18".

http://www.mjkphoto.net/coppermine/albums/uploads/DueBoundsgraphic2.jpg

http://www.mjkphoto.net/coppermine/albums/uploads/DueBoundsText2.jpg

Thanks

[SomeSailor]

Yeah. That's easy enough. Send me the that font (as an attachment in an email) and I can use it exactly like that... OR you can send me the CDR file or AI file (depending on what you did your artwork in and I can cut it from there.

The exact font is important as they all differ just a bit.

[heymagic]

That looks good on the Carver !

[mkronmal]

Can you do an effect like these?

http://www.mjkphoto.net/coppermine/albums/uploads/textideas.jpg

[Tedster]

3-D nice! :D

[SomeSailor]

The shadows... yes... the dimensional shading... no...

To do that will require them to be "printed" and then cut. The shadows can be done with whats called "true shadow", which is rated at 7 years in outdoor exposure, but printed vinyl will only last a year in direct sunlight and isn't recommended for marine use.

Looks good though. You might want to think about an actual painted name though. Airbrushing is the best approach for that effect... but bring a fesh checkbook. :)

All of my stuff is cut on a plotter... but I don't have a vinyl printer.

[Tedster]

I can tell you that SS does really great work with what equiptment he has and a very, very fair price. Now if you want to go beyond his abilities call Prism Graphics on Lake Union (Westlake Ave) and they can just about do anything you want and more. Ted :D

[mkronmal]

So you can do a no shadow basic font only? How long will that last?

Thanks

[SomeSailor]

That's not what I'm saying at all.

What your example shows (the shaded letters that look 3D), requires a printer (very similar to the inkjets most of us have on our desktops) and a cutter. These printers are required to do the shading (not the shadows) as I see them in your example.

The caveat to "printing", on vinyl is the lifespan. The dyes used in the process are not stabilized for UV and are rated one year or less and are designed for inside use and short production run stuff that is very nice looking (billboards, buses, vehicle wraps, etc), but won't hold up in a marine environment.

I have a vinyl plotter/cutter. It's a $4000 machine that is designed to "cut" vinyl. There are machines that both print and cut. If you want a dimensional graphic like that (3D looking letters in various shades) you'll need such a machine. I don't think you'll be happy with what you have a year or two down the road though.

Most people use 6 or 8 year rated vinyl on boats. They are available in well over 2000 types and colors in the Avery product line alone. I use only 8 year vinyl for boat graphics. I can do many different types and variations of shadowing (drop, block, cast, outline, persepctive, etc), but they are done with complimenting colors and shading (usually grey, blues, gold, black, etc), but are separate vinyls to the lettering.

Printed graphics just aren't gonna hold up in the sun on a boat for long.

[mkronmal]

I grok in fullness.

I'll email you the fonts and maybe show me some options on the shadow effect. I really appreciate the assistance here!

Font for "Due Bounds" is Magik
Font for "Poulsbo, WA" is Chaucer

Thanks

[SomeSailor]

That's the easiest way to do it. I only ask for the fonts so they'll be EXACTLY the same between what you design and what comes out of the cutter. Just email the .TTF files from your fonts directory and I'll install them here.

I can then post a picture of what they'll look like. It only takes a sec to print them to JPEGs and post them.

Take a walk down the dock and you'll see the graphics that really pop out. Most are shadowed with a drop shadow, that either contrasts or compliments the main text. (Blue/Grey, Black/Grey, Red/Grey, Gold/Black, Black/Silver, etc)

[SomeSailor]

Here's a revision with Black over Grey:

http://www.iboatnw.com/gallery/data/media/78/Due_Bounds_-_Rev_002.jpg

[mkronmal]

OK, I just remeasured the area available for the graphic. Up to 5'x16" can be covered in text. Working with the Admiral on fonts. How much for a pair?

Thanks

[SomeSailor]

I really like the Magik font, but maybe a more blocked font for the hailing port?

How's $30 for a pair sound (5"x16", with drop shadow)

What graphic program are you using? Anything that will produce .AI or .EPS vetor artwork, can be cut. If you want to play with the design yourself.

[mkronmal]

I use Photoshop. I do a bit of Nature Photography on the side (www.mjkphoto.net). I'll send you an .AI, but I don't know all the ins and outs of setting one up.

Admiral wasn't totally keen on the flourishes of the Magik font, so we will be looking at alternatives. I'm thinking Rockwell for the port font.

Something like these two with Chaucer and Magik as the main font...

http://www.mjkphoto.net/coppermine/albums/uploads/db_chaucer.jpg

http://www.mjkphoto.net/coppermine/albums/uploads/db_magik.jpg

[SomeSailor]

I like the first of these two best. Just email me the fonts of those you'ld like to see.

I like them a little simpler myself as well. Remember, no one is ever gonna ask you what font that is... but the last thing you want to here is "What does that say?"

[Numbknots]

SS, and others

When I had my Graphics done just recently the Sign guy took them to his "buddy" in the Coast Guard and came back shaking his head at the font I chose (mind you my vessel is Documented) They are getting a lot stricter about the 'readability" according to the regs.

TSA is the overiding authority and from the looks of it it is not going to get better before it gets worse.

Bottom line: keep it simple if you are a documented vessel.

Tim

[SomeSailor]

I think your problem was all that silly rope weaving in and out of the letters. :D

Did you get that cut finally? That was a pretty complicated graphic.

[mkronmal]

Mike,

Did you get my last email?

Thanks

[SomeSailor]

Yeppers...

Here's your latest...

http://www.iboatnw.com/gallery/data/media/78/Due_Bounds_-_Rev_003.jpg

[mkronmal]

What about 5' long? How tall would it be.

Do you take PayPal?

Thanks

[Numbknots]

SS,

I goto it finished and installed, looks pretty good. I 'simplified it a little' and I think it looks pretty good. It ended up to be (3) vinyl sheets white,gold/blue. Too bad the Davit covers some of it. Oh well. doesn't take too long for folks to realize why I chose the name?? :argh :evil: :argh

Tim

[SomeSailor]

You should shoot me a picture. It sounded pretty nice when we talked about it.

Michael; Here's the proportions when at 60" for the transom. Letters are 10" tall for the name and then 3" for the hailing port.

Same deal on the two side plates $30 for the pair (5" x 16") and/or $65 for the transom (60" x 18"). That's if you wanted a drop shadow. They come mounted on transfer paper with instructions and a squeegee. It's all 8 year rated premium vinyl and pretty simple to install. You'll just need some soapy water and a patient partner to help you place them. :)

And yes I take PayPal.


http://www.iboatnw.com/gallery/data/media/78/Due_Bounds_-_Rev_004.jpg

[mkronmal]

The two sides can be up to 60"x16", so lets get to something proportonal to that. Haven't measured the transom yet. Its got a door in the middle...

Thanks

[SomeSailor]

Well... the fonts will adapt easily. Get me the exact measurements and we'll do one final set. I thought at 60" you were talking about the transom. :)

I'm getting confused. :shock:

I have to figure the vinyl on square footage and number of colors. Get me the numbers (for the letters themselves) and the area you have and I'll put them together for you in a preview.

[mkronmal]

From a while ago...


OK, I just remeasured the area available for the graphic. Up to 5'x16" can be covered in text. Working with the Admiral on fonts. How much for a pair?

I'm feeling like a major pain! The side panels on the picture have a LARGE area for text. The space above is an imaginary box centered on the panel and above the trim lines.

Thanks!

http://www.mjkphoto.net/coppermine/albums/uploads/DueBoundsgraphic.jpg

[SomeSailor]

Crap... I see where the problem is. I'm used to seeing the height, and then the run. I was thinking this whole time you were talking about 5 inches by 16"

The one little dash makes a big difference. That last one is about the right size. Are you sure you can fit that all on there? You only want to fill about 80% generally, but that's all up to you.

With 10" main letters and 3" hailing port, you can see it fills 16" pretty well. Do you think maybe 2" hailing port? Don't want you to run out of space. Same price applies as the last one for that size graphic.