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Go Aweigh2452
10-28-2005, 11:35 AM
Thought it might be a good idea to at least check the normal stuff for winterizing if you don't intend to use your boat this winter. I stole it from the BOC site as I have done in the past...

Add anything to this list???

Winterizing your engine and drive.

Winterizing your boats engine and drive is a lot of work. Not doing it or doing it improperly WILL be very expensive to fix , and that is also a lot of work.
Plan on giving yourself the full day to winterize your boat, and don't wait till the last minute to do the job. As difficult as winterizing can be, doing it when it's 35º outside, snowing or raining, windy and in the dark is not something you want to do.
Read and think about everything you are about to do before you start, and plan for it. Tools, parts, helpers, (oh yea) even if just to hand you stuff and talk with you. Make a checklist if it'll help.
All set? Here we go.

Before you start the engine, add fuel stabilizer to the fuel tank. If possible, put in the stabilizer on the last trip of the season and top off the fuel tank before you get to your driveway or where the boat will be stored. This will allow the stabilizer to mix completely in the tank.

You do have your Service manuals for the engine and drive handy, don't you?
If not you are looking for trouble.

A few things you will need to have:
Get all your parts together before you start. Filters, gaskets, o-rings, seals, etc.
Note: (Gaskets, o-rings, and seals are not reusable, they may look like it, but they are a one time use item.)
Look at your manual before hand and know what types of grease, oils, lubes, gear lube, sealers, fogging oil, etc. you are going to need and have them on hand and ready.
Have the tools needed to do the job. Including filter wrenches, alignment bars etc.
Plenty of rags and oil absorbent pads

1. Start by hooking up a corrosion inhibitor to the muffs inline with the water, an example would be theSalt-Away mixing unit. . This will do several things. Warm and mix the oil for changing, and flush the cooling system if you have been running in salt or brackish water.
2. After running, change oil, filter.
3. Change fuel filter/s, be sure to check the contents of the filter. If there is around a 1/4 of the contents water, you should drain the water out of the tank. (That won't be covered here)
4. Check the antifreeze level and be sure it's in the proper temperature range. -35 degrees is a normal 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water.
5a. Remove the Outdrive. (Mercruiser, OMC, and Volvo DP-S and SX)
Check ALL the bellows. if any of them look weather cracked or seem excessively stiff or weak, replace them. A leaky u-joint bellows ruins gimbal bearings and u-joints and drives if allowed to keep leaking.
On Mercruiser, OMC, and Volvo DP-S and SX style drives check the engine alignment (If you are going to do your own work, you MUST have an alignment bar)
5b. For those with the Volvo 270 through 290 style drives. Remove the upper gear box and check the bellows and u-joints. The bellows are not as strong as the Merc and OMC bellows so replace them every couple of years just to be safe. If they go bad, you must pull the engine to change the intermediate bearings in the bell housing. Be sure you don't loose the shims between the upper gear box and the intermediate housing.
6. Check the gimbal bearing. Does it turn smooth? if not replace it. Check the u-joints do they feel smooth also? Any catches indicates they are worn and should be replaced. If ok, grease the zirks or pull the plugs (if equipped) and lube them.
7. Was there any gear lube in the bellows when you removed the drive? If so, the input shaft seal is leaking and should be fixed before reinstalling the drive.

8. Drain the gear lube from the drive and refill per manufacturers specs. ALWAYS use new gaskets and o-rings on drain, fill, and vent plugs and dipstick fittings and plugs, along with new gaskets and seals for mounting the drive back on the boat. Don't forget to remove the gear lube monitor (if equipped) and clean it. The gear lube will form sludge in the bottom after a couple of years. Clean it yearly and you won't have a problem.

NOTE: For those with Mercruiser Alpha drives. If you are planning on changing the impeller, now is the time to do it. Since you must remove the lower unit to get to the pump, no reason to put in new gear lube till it's done.

9. Remove the prop and check for any fishing line around the prop shaft (very common problem, even for those that don't fish), clean and grease the shaft with a good quality marine grease prior to reinstalling the prop. Any kind of grease is better than none at all. And if you remove your prop yearly, you should never have a problem with the type grease you use.
(DO NOT use Neversieze) it may be great for cars, trucks, tractors etc. but in the boating business we call it "Eversieze".
If you notice nicks, dings or bends in the prop blades, now would be an ideal time to send the prop out to a prop shop for repairs.

10. Reinstall the drive per the manual. (new gaskets and seals, right???)

11. Check the batteries, is the acid level where it should be? Are they fully charged? A low charged battery can freeze and crack and make a very big mess.
Terminal ends clean and greased.

12. Start the engine, make sure the oil filter doesn't leak, fuel filter doesn't leak and the drive still shifts and run it till it warms up. All ok, GOOD. Now it's time to make it safe for cold weather.

13. Bring the rpm up to around 1500 rpm and start squirting fogging oil into the carb till the rpms drop and you are getting a lot of smoke out the exhaust. Then shut off the engine. If the engine diesels, restart it fog some more, make sure the idle is very low and shut it off again. You don't want water backed up into the cylinders from running backwards.

14. Disconnect the water and muffs and allow the water to drain out of the drive. Now get your manual and remove every drain plug on your engine, manifolds, coolers, heat exchangers, water pumps, and anything else that could have RAW water in it. DO NOT drain the anti-freeze side of a closed cooling system. Look at the book and make sure you have them all removed. Look around, missing one could cost you an engine block. Get a small screwdriver and probe inside every hole you remove a plug from. Make sure there is nothing blocking the water from getting out. Be sure the engine is also as level as possible so as much water as possible is drained out. Some of the coolers for oil and power steering can be drained by removing a hose easier than removing the plugs.
Put all the plugs back in and hoses back on.
Remember air doesn't freeze and crack blocks, manifolds, or coolers.
For additional corrosion protection, you can fill the block and manifolds with a 50/50 water/antifreeze mix through the hoses. Many of the RV type antifreeze do not have corrosion inhibitors in them because they are meant to be used in the domestic water system. Don't forget to have brass replacements for those plastic plugs!

15. Spray your favorite corrosion blocker on everything (except fiberglass). This includes battery terminals. Turn the steering so most of the rod is extended, make sure it's clean and spray it with a light oil, turn it back and forth a few times spraying in between so it's well lubed.

16. Store the boat with the bow up and the drive down. If the drive is up the exhaust part of the drive behind the prop can fill with water, freeze and crack.......Not Good!
It's also a lot easier on the u-joint bellows to have it in the down position.

17. Shut off (Better yet, disconnect) the batteries. Tag the cables and wires so you know where to put them back in the spring (trust me on tagging them).

18. Don't forget the rest of the boat, this is only for the engine and drive. There is still the domestic water system and the head to deal with.

19. Unload the food and all dry storage.

20. Dump your waste and water tanks and open all drain valves for fresh water system if freezing is a possibility. Add antifreeze made for toilets.

21. Good time to check nav lights and clean contacts.

22. Good time to ensure your 12v power plug has a 5 amp fuse especially if your plug is ss. Any bigger, you have a chance for fire if they rattle open and touch due to small size of wires. 20 amp fuse may not blow before a fire starts.

heymagic
10-28-2005, 06:53 PM
Good job Doug. I'd add a couple of items.

Remove the transom drain plug and during winter keep a close eye on leaves that may block the cockpit drains. Nearly as many boats 'sink' on land as in the water.

Keep a light drop in the bilge if you want warmth.

Disconnecting the battery is important as Chevy starters can fail and engage at any time.

Try not to put a poly tarp directly over canvas, promotes mildew and can rub right through Sunbrella with a little wind.

Leave a window or vent cracked to avoid mold and mildew.

If possible jack the trailer up and block it to ease the burden on the tires.

And lastly don't neglect the brake battery or winch battery on the trailer ( if equipped)

SomeSailor
10-28-2005, 07:04 PM
Heard a good one the other day... Stop off at a hardware store (or craft shop) and pick up a piece of round lamp wick (most craft stores carry it in the candle departments... looks like jumbo yarn). Stuff it into your bilge drain at the end on the season. As it wets with that last 1/2" of water, it'll "wick" out all the remaining moisture and any new stuff that blows in through the vents.

Go Aweigh2452
10-28-2005, 07:11 PM
keep a close eye on leaves that may block the cockpit drains


build a $40K garage to store your boat in... to avoid leaves and rain water... OK, the garage is not just for the boat... but it was a good reason to build it... according to the ADM... lol ;)

Go Aweigh2452
10-28-2005, 07:36 PM
keep a close eye on leaves that may block the cockpit drains


build a $40K garage to store your boat in... to avoid leaves and rain water... OK, the garage is not just for the boat... but it was a good reason to build it... according to the ADM... lol ;)

heymagic
10-28-2005, 09:28 PM
Ok, ok... :)

coolchange
11-12-2005, 04:18 PM
I store in the pasture and make sure to back the trailer onto boards...keeps the wheels from sinking into the mud...hard to move out of a pit.

the tire shop guys say that UV over time can eat the tires so I have started to cover the tires...lean an old pc of plywood on the sunny side. also last winter I put a plastic cover over the hitch and brake unit (after liberal spray with WD) I don't know if this helps but seems to make sense

Go Aweigh2452
11-12-2005, 09:43 PM
anyone here actually put there trailer on blocks (with the boat on the trailer)?

I lifted it last year but not sure I want to do it this year due to wanting to use it more this winter...

SomeSailor
11-12-2005, 09:51 PM
I did build a set of levelling boards to get my boat level (side-to-side). I was getting nasty crap over the winter months from the water that wouldn't fully drain. Sure helped. Never blocked the tires myself though.

I figure if we don't get enough UV for a decent tan around here... the tires can fend for themselves... :)

heymagic
11-13-2005, 06:17 AM
I block my trailer up. Get some of the adjustable HD jackstands and lower the bow way down. Set the jackstands up behind the tires. Crank the bow back up and block also, a piece of firewood works well. I don't like to leave a big strain on those tongue jacks. This is pretty quick and easy, takes a load off the tires. they don't have to clear completely, but at least they don't have all 6-8000 lbs stiiting on them all winter.

2850Bounty
11-17-2005, 07:09 AM
Hey, just came over from BOC. Still there, but Somesailor (without knowing it) invited me over.

I read all of this on the BOC. In my opinion, all is good with exception of installing your new impeller at this time. I know,..... it requires more work later, but there is a benefit here! (Explain in a minute) here is another suggestion for trailered boats while you have the drive off, or impeller out of engine pump (AQ series Volvo Penta or other)............. After doing all other tasks, do a quick "dry start" just prior to doing your fogging. This can be done momentarily for short blast.... this will not allow any new water into the exhaust mans. A short dry start (impeller removed) will not harm any components. Fog and kill engine. This is not a substitute for any other draining of ????

As for impellers..... These marine application impellers, while in the housing, have three to four of the blades bent over at/on the impeller pump "cam" area at any given time in order to create the suction/pumping action..... While these are bent over, the rubber will/can take what is called a "set" similar to windshield wipers on a car/truck.... (they don't go bad in the winter, they go bad from sitting all summer). Similarly, your impeller will/can do same if left to sit during the off season. At best, they loose some resiliency. This is especially true for the M/C Alpha type impeller. I say install impeller at beginning of season. While most will make it through the winter, why not start with fresh at start of season. I even pull my crank pump impellers and shelve them for the off season. But crankshaft pump impellers are much easier to get at. Food for thought.
On the subject..... store your drive in the "full down" position, with drive aiming straight forward. Prolong the life of your bellows this way.

Keep your batteries up to or close to a full "state of charge" at all times... Do this at least monthly. When at low state of charge, the acid is less in solution and more in the plates, as I understand it, and damage will occur. At a full state of charge the acid is back in solution, allowing longevity to batteries. Low state of charge and the batteries will suffer sulfate build up on the plates. Battery life will be dramatically shortened. Special charging is then required if they can be saved at all.

I do like the one about the tires (heymagic)... removing the load from them is a good idea if possible. Wish I could do that to my tri axle big ass heavy boat. Got me thinking here! While up off the ground, for those of you with "easy lube" axles, this is an opportunity to rotate the wheels while lubing the axles.... gets grease in where it counts and purges the old while turning them.

Disconnecting batteries is not necessary if you have multi-bank system and a battery selector switch, as on most larger boats... most on board chargers are in the loop with the battery switch "common" terminal... (whether turned to "1", "2", "All" or "Off") just turn switch to "Off" position you will be fine. This way your O/B charger can still do it's job while doing battery maintenance during winter. If no bat switch, yes, disconnect as implied.

I rotate my tires on the sunny side and use sun tan lotion on them. Completely naked too, I hate bikini lines.

SomeSailor
11-17-2005, 07:46 AM
I was OK until the last part... :D

Welcome to IBoatNorthWest. I like the impellor idea.

The bellows part makes sense too. I always stored mine full up... but why keep all that strain on the rubber. I guess I was trying to protect the rams, but a coat of WD-40 would've done that.

Glad you made it over.

heymagic
11-17-2005, 08:37 AM
Rams are exposed when drive is up..SS you lost me on that one.

2850Bounty
11-17-2005, 08:47 AM
I think he was simply mistaken... ram cylinder stems are protected as well when stored full down.
Rick

pkrogh
11-17-2005, 09:33 AM
Rick,
Welcome to the fun!!

Pete

SomeSailor
11-17-2005, 09:56 AM
Yeah you're right. Wasn't thinkin' straight there. Even better reason to leave the drive down... :oops:

Numbknots
11-25-2005, 12:26 PM
Not only is it hard on tires when left with a load on them for extended periods of time, also springs and bushings can take a set or compress when left over the winter.

Another area that I have seen get neglected are windshield wipers and at least for large boats the suckers are super expensive!!. Also anchor winch contactors are another area to inspect and inhibit the corrosion.

Best bet is to use the boat year round!!

Tim

Go Aweigh2452
11-27-2005, 04:26 PM
Well, got around to blocking the trailer and lifting the wheels off the ground but still have contact of rubber on concrete. Just no strain on the bearings now...

http://www.iboatnw.com/gallery/data/media/12/MVC-012S.JPG

heymagic
11-27-2005, 05:39 PM
Any strain you can take off all the better. Looks good n safe. What was the outcome on the new trailer hubs/bearings ?

Go Aweigh2452
11-27-2005, 06:05 PM
Actually the side you see is the newer bearing side. They apparently damaged the inner bearings when they replaced them and caused the leak. The final replacement seem to work as advertised. I feel safer with the new ones now and plan to go to Lake Powell and or Lake Mead this coming summer.

In fact recently installed in the F350 a Pioneer AVIC N2 radio system that plays DVD's, MP3's, CD's, has GPS and going to have Sirius for Christmas if I am a good boy... that'll make the trip more fun for the Adm, the dog and me.